We are all one big glitch in the Matrix?

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  1. Dragondale13

    Dragondale13 Ancient Guru

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    Vibrations create the illusion of solidity....Nick Cage...Sorcerer's Apprentice.

    The earth's magnetic field, our body's main organs eg. brain and heart magnetic fields are being bombarded by negative energy.It's called feedback from the countless things we do on a day to day basis without even realizing it.When a thought happens it carries a certain amount of emotion and a multitude of feeling, but varying in magnitude...for every action there's a reaction...these vibrations interact with one another.

    Control the interaction between all those emitters and receivers, you run the board.Electricity carries spirit energy also.It wasn't just lingering in the universe for billions of years before us, just so we can power our Pcs.
     
  2. Fox2232

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    None of us sees colors same way. None of us hears same sound as someone else. None of us feels what others feel.

    Every single person lives in reality of his/hers own. Because what we perceive is actually construct of our mind based on our inputs.
    There are blind people who think that they see...

    What does it matter if this is computer simulation or world made of physical particles. We as well may be physical experiment in some gigantic petri dish.
    It only matters that we perceive, we feel and we have freedom of choice.
     
  3. Serotonin

    Serotonin Ancient Guru

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    I see your point. But spiritually, that means we have no decent after-life to look forward to since we aren't "real". That bothers me. I'm not speaking of Heaven. Just an after-life in general.

    If we are simulated, how do we know we have freedom and aren't just on a train track, a path already set for us. We may feel it's a choice but it's really a digital path already programmed for us to follow. Like a scripted video game.

    EDIT: And I just want to thank you guys for being able to have a civil conversation about this. Nice we all don't have to agree, but can still enjoy conversation and respect each other.
     
  4. Passus

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    Agreed great convo.. kudos to all :thumbup:

    As for after-life, I have always felt that my consciousness is not really apart of me but the real me, guiding this physical experience we call life

    I have a few spiritual/weird encounters in my life to realise not all is as it seems to be
     

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    Scorch666 Ancient Guru

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    I think that when you dream you go of to a different space, time, continuum. And when you wake up and think hmm I liked that dream, it becomes a contender for a new life when you die. Or the opposite. Maybe when you die you got so many choices of a new life. :banana:

    I belive your soul flies of to new planets and lives on when you die.
     
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    Passus Ancient Guru

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    Same as me mate, the soul and consciousness are eternal
     
  7. Fox2232

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    Stories about soul. If you could track their source, you would realize that no human being truly experienced anything that could hint soul in last few hundreds years.

    Do not expect your existence to continue by other means than fragments of genetic memory you give to your children.
    And I say it even through I had my share of weird stuff too.
    If you are helpful or harmful to other people, it should come from you, not from some faith in God or promise of afterlife. Then you are expressing your choice.

    Secondly you are free to toss coin for every decision you are about to make. That's how you can experience: "giving up on your choice", but even then if result of toss is too negative, you will still ignore it and experience your free will.

    And then there is thing about simulation: If we were some kind of restricted simulation without having ability to chose for ourselves, there would be no reason to run it. It would be much more resource efficient to reduce complex iterative systems into more 'simple' sets of integrals representing each system with many variables.
     
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  8. Serotonin

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    All due respect. But you're just dismissing my opinion for your own. No one knows what happens when we die or the point to any of this. :)
     
  9. Fox2232

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    You simply should not care. It is pointless way to waste time. You are not going to find till you die.
    Make best of your life (based on your moral standard). And if there is something afterwards... You will deal with it later.
    Because even if there is something after death, not one person has a map for it. Not one person knows what will matter there.

    Are there rules? Maybe, but we have no other rules than universal rules of physics... And we do not even understand those.
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    And if you think about free will. You can always find your own way. Even as kid, I often picked up things on random.
    Q: "Which Ice cream do you want?"
    A: without even looking: "3rd one from the left."

    Your will is as free as you make it. So called "Yes Man" has no other free will than his "submission" to others.
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    I'll tell you small story from today. I went shopping and in one corner of shop, there was large container blocking so much space that just one person could walk there.
    On both sides there were dozens of people wanting to get to another side. They looked like newborn chicken hiding in corner from rain.

    I wanted to walk through that place too, because right in that corner was thing i went there for.
    So I grab that large 1.5*1.5*1.5m container and drag it away. I nearly hit one of the zombies there. If I did, I would not care anyway.
    And then I walked right through space I freed as 1st person, because zombies were still mentally blocked by fact that it was customer and not shop clerk who moved something around.

    Those people probably did not experience true free will for months. They were not even thinking for themselves.
    I am disruptive element to all I consider stupid from childhood. If that is not my free will, then I like my programing and design. If only there were more people like me.
     
  10. Serotonin

    Serotonin Ancient Guru

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    So you consider yourself unique for moving something out of your way? lmao! You must live with some really dumb people. That story would not happen in Chicago. :thumbup:

    I think for myself and act as I want. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to follow a moral code. The world needs them.

    And again, this is all your opinion. I appreciate your conversation, but you can't tell someone to live like you. If that's the case, start a religion, because you sound like you have an agenda. :)
     

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    I just wrote some examples :)
    My: "If you are helpful or harmful to other people, it should come from you, not from some faith in God or promise of afterlife."
    Is pretty clear that I do not want you to follow my example. I want you to be yourself. And I think that it is only natural.

    Only thing I would like for other people to really adopt from me is set of questions going like:
    "Is this OK, what if everyone behaves like this?"
    "What would my family think if I behaved like those people."
    ...

    Basically something like little reality check for your own moral code.
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    Btw. if I had religion it would be eugenics. (Not in any harsh way.)
     
  12. Serotonin

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    Is there a peaceful way to eugenics? Lol. Hitler went too far, what's a happy medium?
     
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    Wow Fox that be 2 heavy. Even for you :D
     
  14. Fox2232

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    It is simple:
    People with serious genetic defects which are inheritable: No breeding unless it can be fixed
    For rest: point system where people get points for physical ability and mental ability. (Diminishing returns, so one does not try to go easy way of becoming physically fit brain-dead. And not to encourage people to neglect physical health in improvement of mental abilities.)

    In this point system:
    Pairs who are way below average may have 1 child, in case of death, they may have another one.
    Pairs who are average or slightly below (-10%) may have 2 children, If one dies, they may have another one.
    Pairs who are above average may have any number of children.

    Points for parents are averaged. Those who breach their limit may no longer have another children, even if all their previous ones die.

    This principle would be in effect only in times when human population goes over certain threshold defined by technological sustainability.
    = = = =
    In our western societies, educated people, athletes, and many people who push mankind forward have very few children in average.
    But then our western society allows uneducated and lazy people to have dozen children and live from social care money.

    Idea is to change current situation. Because when creative people are being out-breeded by parasitic organisms, Life Form which we call Society is going to die. And those working people pay for it due to governments which love progressive taxation.
    = = = =
    There are huge benefits. If below average people have just one child, they can care for him/her better. Give him/her higher chance to succeed in life.
    Strain on society would go down. (Social system)
    People would generally strife to have healthier life-style. (less wasted resources on medical care)

    World population would stabilize after some natural decline. And new, fresh mankind would emerge.
    = = = =
    There is need to understand that we defeated Darwinism at time term has been coined.
    And that our society actually penalizes those who are great and cherishes mediocre people in name of some weird concept of "Social Justice".
    It is not something we can continue doing for long before it becomes irreversible without genetic manipulation.
    = = = =
    It is same as Western world taking in, and feeding another 4~6 million people who will not contribute every year.
    But countries from which those people are coming produce 20~30 million people in that year and they are bound to suffer.
    Current approach will break our backs.
    It was on pallet with wheels. I am not crazy. Dragging it on the floor in the dust would make so much noise...
     
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    How about hiding spoilers for people who have not yet played this game and plan to?

    Don't answer back with a smart reply saying the game is old, it's invalid.
     

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    Define physical ability, mental ability, technological sustainability irrefutably.

    Huh?
     
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    That would defeat purpose of those variables. Yes, those are variables because they serve purpose.
    Look at money spent on Social care vs. GDP of country.
    Hungary, Luxembourg, Poland, Czech Republic, ... We give about 18~24% of our GDP to social care.

    Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Belgium, Finland ... They give 31~35% of their GDP to social care.

    How much can this stretch?
    = = = =
    Compare it to situation in Somalia. in 1950 they were as hungry as today. But in those 67 years they did grow population from 2.2 to 11.4 million. Their child mortality is almost same as can be seen on population pyramids. What would be quality of life there if population remained at 2.2 million?
    Who is responsible for this growth? And even more hungry people? If left to its devices Somalia population would likely drop pretty fast to something like 3.5 million.

    Earth does not need 20 Billion people. Mankind does not need 20 Billion people. There is no benefit to anyone. It just makes more people to be hit by inevitable tragedy.
    Quality of life over the world is all over the place because "Socialist Extremism".
    We are not providing 'humanitarian help', we are spinning mankind on centrifuge out of control and instead of pulling safety breaks, we are stepping hard on gas.
     
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    "Icke was a BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when a psychic told him, in 1990, that he had been placed on Earth for a purpose and would begin to receive messages from the spirit world.[6] The following year he announced that he was a "Son of the Godhead"....

    Says it all.
     
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    And that's a very unfortunate part of so many conspiracies and theories. One whack job ruins it for everyone. Perfect example, that website AboveTopSecret. Complete garbage imo. They give everything a bad name and a negative light. David Icke is a con. He contradicts his own messages. I've watched and listened to more of his shows and events in the last month than I care to admit. I've come to that conclusion. He's a con. Or, just bat-**** crazy.
     
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