AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition vs Nvidia Titan Xp

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  1. Minotaur

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    Seriously Cinebench? With those numbers I'm glad I got a 1080, 8 months ago!
     
  2. Clouseau

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    So Microsoft back peddled and officially supports Ryzen on Win 8? What board was used? Asus does not offer any AM4 boards with win 8 drivers. All can say is odd. Why wouldn't they test it on Win 10?

    EDIT: the Cinebench was run on Win 8
     
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    Someone who needs 16GB of ECC RAM on their GPU as opposed to the Geforces non-ECC GDDR5.

    People seem to forget that the Vega Frontier costs 1/5 of its ACTUAL competitors: P40 and Quadro P6000. Both are GP102 GPUs but they support ECC and therefore cost 5x as much as a Titan Xp and almost 10x as much as a 1080ti.

    Vega Frontier and MI25 are BARGAINS compared to Nvidias competing parts.
     
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    Have you crosschecked with other people? That would help you to localize problem.
    Because neither HD7970 3GB nor Fury X 4GB (apparently) has crashes in Paragon at max...
    Then this texture max details vs something lower... If you maxed it out, game has nasty blur/gloom/whatever preventing you from actually seeing textures sharply. So, to reach maximum image quality, one needs to not play on maximum.

    And from Windows - DX - GPU driver design level, Game can't crash from lack of VRAM (unless that's so small that it can't even create buffers).
    Game can crash only from lack of total memory in system. And that would be out of memory error type of crash.
     

  5. sykozis

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    Whether Asus lists the drivers for download or not, AMD does in fact support Ryzen on Windows 7, 8.1 and 10.

    Here's from the latest chipset driver, which is for AM4 based motherboards...
    http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset?os=Windows+10+-+64
     
  6. Denial

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    You can get a P5000 for under $2000.
     
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    P5000 is the small GP104 chip with 256bit GDDR5X used in the 1080 and 1070.

    P6000, which is $5,500 is the big GP102 with 384bit ECC GDDR5X, also used in the $1,000 Titan and $650 1080ti with non-ECC GDDR5X.

    Theyre totally different GPU chips and $2,000 is an awful lot to pay for what is essentially a $500 1080.

    P5000 doesnt even suppport ECC on its GDDR5X.
     
  8. Denial

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    I'm aware of what the P5000 is.

    https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/Article/2562/content/spac1.png

    It's up to 30% faster than the Frontier in these tests, it uses half the power and it definitely does support ECC. The fact that it's half the chip is just a testament to Nvidia's software optimization and architecture.

    ECC:

    https://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-quadro-p6000-and-p5000-workstation-gpu-reviews

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/compare-quadro-gpus.html

    Yeah, it may not compete against the Frontier in all workloads, but saying the only competition is the P6000/P40 is misleading. Also the Frontier is essentially RX Vega with 16GB of HBM - RX Vega is going to be priced at ~$600 and Frontier has a $1700 WC edition with the exact same listed specs as the AC edition, but $500 more. Both companies overvalue their professional market cards. Nvidia's Quadros are also certified by Autodesk and whatnot while Frontier currently isn't and as far as I read won't be.

    https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics...r-and-Liquid-Cooled-GPUs-Now-Available-Pre-Or

    Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the P5000 is the better purchase or even fits all your needs. I'm just saying that Nvidia offers more competitive products to the Frontier than the P40/P6000 that also support ECC.
     
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    Oops youre right, the P5000 does support ECC!
     
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    Damn right!!!
     

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    Driver changelog for VF's initial release:

    Seems like a ton of major issues for a product shipping in a few weeks. Hopefully they can get all of it sorted out before the consumer variants ship.
     
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    Can we just please wait for the reviews and the RX Vegas to make a conclusion? Thank you.
     
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    GPU does not compress data the way you think, I would give a "Kellyanne Conway Award" to AMD's marketing team for spreading this when they released the Fury graphics card and some raised concern because it had only 4GB of ram. Texture compression is decided by game developers and are the same between the brands.
    What they "compress" is instead the texture when moved on the bus, they are basically doing a delta based lossless colour compression, looking at colour they are avoiding to re transfer data that doesn't change and describing what change with less info as possible thus maximizing memory bandwidth utilisation.
    The space that a texture occupy on VRAM isn't changed.
     
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    Its shipping now.
     
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    Okay... normally don't do this...but I think even AMD fans will see a bit of humor in this...

    [​IMG]
     

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    I can't take credit for that...one of those 'found on the internet'. I don't know who made it but it did strike my funny bone.
     

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