Budget gaming rig for kid

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  1. Halloween Jack

    Halloween Jack Maha Guru

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    Hey folks,

    My mate wants to get a budget gaming rig for his son.

    He's seen this:

    http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/compu...-infinity-trion-x-gaming-pc-10114608-pdt.html

    I haven't got the time to build one for him but did suggest he look at one of those companies that custom build for you.

    Then I could always swap components like new gfx cards for them in the future.

    His son has said he wants to play Skyrim and Minecraft :) but no doubt he'll soon be looking at higher specs.

    So this PC has integrated GFX... has anyone got a link to how these onboard graphics types equate with cards?

    How it compares to a 750 Ti for example?

    So, long story short... any thoughts on this pc or suggestions for a very budget pc. Or tips on understanding what performance to expect from various onboard gfx so I can try and advise him better.

    Cheers
     
  2. Darkest

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    What's his budget exactly?

    If it has to be a prebuilt, OCUK have some so-so systems, definitely better value than what you're looking at. You could buy something like their Primo Gold iX and upgrade it with the available options. Switch to an I3 and pop a 750 in and you're set for about the same amount of money. You'd get a better warranty also.

    If you give them a ring they might be able to come up with a better solution for you, they're pretty flexible tbh.

    The rig you're looking at is the sort of spec I'd use for an HTPC and light gaming, not worth the money when you can get an i3 spec with a dedicated card for the same sort of money. The difference is night and day in terms of performance.
     
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  3. Halloween Jack

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    Great thx.

    I like OCUK. I'll take a look.

    So avoid integrated gfx and go for i3.

    Budget, I'm not sure. I think £400 but think hell stretch to £500.

    I'm tempted to build it for him, but it's not very fair on my son, who I have no intention of buying a £500 PC for :)

    So yeah, I'll advise prebuilt.

    Thanks
     
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    If he wants integrated graphics, the AMD APU in that rig is definitely the way to go. I doubt very much you could get any combination of Intel and comparable graphics for that price. That computer could absolutely play Skyrim the way it is. It could play newer titles like BF4 and NFS Rivals as well, just not on full maxed out settings. A 720p monitor would also be the best way to go. 1366 X 768 looks pretty good.

    Just in CPU performance the APU is close to an i3-4130 and the graphics are comparable to Nvidia GT640 or 740 but you also get DX 12 compatibility with the APU.
     
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    I'm sorry but I really don't agree, it'd be a very poor experience. I'd buy the kid a console over making him play Skyrim on that APU, at least then his expectations wont be ruined when he tries to mod it. Regardless, as I mentioned earlier there's absolutely no need to go that route when you can get considerably better for the same money in terms of an i3 + 750 based system.

    No problem, that rig I linked you to is actually pretty solid for the price. I'd give them a ring about it and ask them to swap in a 750 as well as the i3 and you've a brilliant little budget system for gaming.
     
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    You're wrong, my laptop with a first generation Llano a8-3500M APU with weaker graphics plays Skyrim well. It gets 45-50 fps steadily and that APU would do a lot better. There's no need for mods really.

    If it were me, I'd go with the one he has seen. That linked to website has nothing comparable for even close to that price. You can not get an i3 with a 750 for less than 100 pounds more. The graphics can always be upgraded later if needed.
     
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    There's no need for mods because you say so? Mods add a massive amount to a game like Skyrim, many people would argue that it's not worth playing without them. If you're buying a PC to run a game like Skyrim, mods are an important part of that.

    You ran it at 45-50fps, do you have evidence to that, as well as the settings and resolution you were running? Either way I'd call it a poor experience, perhaps our standards are different?

    Regardless, you can get a much better rig for the same sort of price, as I've proven.
     
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    A i3 and GTX 750 Ti would be great for him.

    It should fit the budget.
     
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    You didn't prove that at all. I looked at the site and it's not close not even within 100 pounds of the rig he posted for an i3 and 750. Well above 500 which was given as the maximum.

    I ran Skyrim at medium settings at 1366 X 768. That's plenty acceptable for a kid's budget rig and certainly is not a "poor experience". People need to get off this 60 fps at ultra settings or bust kick.
     
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    You obviously did not if that's the case. You're just arguing the toss in order to be 'correct' because you want a poor computer from PC World of all places to justify your opinion.

    The changes I've suggested, with the link I gave comes in at very similar money, in fact it comes in at less. That's even when including an O/S. Even assuming it was slightly over, or the same money - an i3 with a 750 is a substantially better gaming machine than the APU based system. That is irrefutable, period.

    This has nothing to do with 60fps or bust, and everything to do with ensuring money is well spent.
     

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    The "Primo Gold iX" that Darkest suggest + 8gb + i3 4150 cost 359 + MSI 750Ti 2Gb give me a total 479.
    Install a RAWR! Windows And bob's your uncle
     
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    Or a non-ti 750 and a non RAWR! Windows, either or!

    Better off going for the Ti though.
     
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    Yes it is somewhat better. However, there is also the fact that the graphics can be upgraded later with a discrete AMD card and run in a dual GPU mode in Windows 10.

    I am assuming that the price for the APU machine includes the VAT though. If it doesn't then you're right about the one you linked with a 750 added. The configurator gives no option for a discrete card though and comes to 366.62 without the GPU and VAT, 439.94 with the VAT added. I don't live in Europe so I'm not sure how that VAT works.
     
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    UK sites tend to include VAT as standard.

    You're adding the O/S directly through OCUK, there's no need for that as you can find keys for Windows 7-8.1 for dirt cheap in the UK. Sans the overpriced O/S on the website, you'd be spending about £440 for the entire rig when including a 750. If you call OCUK they'll happily pop one in for you with that system, despite it not being on the configurator. They might even offer you some discount.

    You can find Windows keys for £20-30 without much issue if they're needed.

    As for performance, it's a night and day difference. It's far from small, the i3 you cited before is, if my memory serves, a 35w mobile chip. The recommended i3 in the build is not.
     
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    I'm not sure how good discrete + IGP works now. But when i tested don't really worth it in my opinion (A6 5400 + HD 6570). Maybe the weak CPU cause some bottleneck in this pseudo crossfire configuration because only see like 5 - 8FPS more in most games.
     

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    Thanks all.

    I was looking at the i3 750 suggestion and it looked a lot more to me too.

    But I was including Windows.

    I have never heard of this windows keys for £20 to 30... except dodgy ones that people have had issues with.

    Are they legit?

    Where do you get them in a legal and reliable way?

    Also what is RAWR? :) I googled but nothing much beyond a sound dinosaurs make and an item in BF4 :)

    In terms of budget, and forgetting windows for a mo' I'm adding up to:

    OCUK:
    i3 4150
    8GB RAM
    1TB HDD
    £367.99

    +750i for £120
    so £487.99

    AMD build similar to the PC World but at pcspecialist
    AMD A10 7700K
    ASUS A68HM PLUS FM2+
    8GB Kingston 1600
    1TB HDD
    450W Corsair PSU

    £330 inc delivery

    So similar price.

    How's the i3 compare to the AMD if he decides too not get a GFX card now but add one later?

    Cheers
     
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    The Intel i3 will be faster in games and in general.
     
  18. Halloween Jack

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    To be absolutely clear about this...

    You mean in terms of integrated graphics, not just cpu punch?

    As in, I'm tempted to suggest to him the i3 build without a card as a cheaper option.
     
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    I mean in terms of CPU power yes.

    He really can't stretch the extra money for the 750 Ti? then he'll have a pretty powerful budget rig.

    A friend of mine also has a 750 Ti and is happy with it.
     

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