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Default 02-13-2007, 19:04 | posts: 10,707 | Location: U.K

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yeah thats a wise choice.research is always the best route to take imho.what kind of case do you have?
ive got the antec nine hundred , its the best case ive ever had , the cooling performance is outstanding , the only gripe is i wish it had a little more room , i could mount the rad and fan on the back , put the pump and res might be a problem

this is my case

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=CA-065-AN

also could i put the block under arctic silver 5 to improve my temps slightly or do i ahve to use the grease they provide??

EDIT: The res and pump both fit into a 5.25" bay , easy to install then , im very tempted ill see how my money turns out a dn might purchase , need to find somewhere thats cheap and has it in stock

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Default 02-13-2007, 19:19 | posts: 6,346 | Location: Glass City

tbh i believe they provide arctic silver ceramique.which is just as good as as5 but you can use whichever you prefer.you may be able to mount the pump and res near the front by the drive cages.ive seen alot of people with that set up.thats a nice case btw!love those 120s in front!
   
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Default 02-13-2007, 19:24 | posts: 10,707 | Location: U.K

o.k , check my post above , need to sell my ram and that and then will see how the cash turns out , need a new mouse and keyboard first lol
   
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Default 02-13-2007, 19:30 | posts: 6,346 | Location: Glass City

sounds like a plan!
   
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Default 02-13-2007, 19:48 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

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just and idea preacher , putting 3 kits in to catogories of high end , mid-range and low end kits and choose the best for each section based on a performance price ratio??

maybe pre-built kits and then your chioces??
Sounds like a plan. I'll reorganise the pre selected kit section, and maybe do a bit more research about possible high performing/budget kits. Hopefully i can reorganise it a bit over the course of the evening, then decide what to improve next take next. Everyone Please feel free to suggest anything you think will improve it at all.

It seems that most of the suggestions i've been receiving are based around adding more stuff to the guide rather than deleting stuff i've written which i'm glad about.

Btw there's been a lot of action in the thread since i've last visited. What with it being stuck (thanks G L) and the numerous posts.
   
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Default 02-13-2007, 23:50 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

Sorry guys but reorganisation of the preselected kits section will have to wait until tomorrow morning due to my having excessive amounts of things to do tonight.

I'm basically going to divide it up into three groups, kits costing up to 110, then kits from 110-160, then kits from 160+. I only have a few great kits to recommend in any catagory, so if anyone has any knowledge of any very, very good kits in any of the three pricing groups please either pm me with details, or simply post them in here. If any ideas can be posted by tomorrow evening that would be great.
   
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Default 02-13-2007, 23:53 | posts: 10,707 | Location: U.K

well both the Swiftech H20 80 & 120 fit into 2 of those catogories and there supposed to be really good , ive been looking at both alot recently
   
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Default 02-14-2007, 02:52 | posts: 6,346 | Location: Glass City

check out some of the innovatek,dangerden and asetek kits.im not sure about pricing but they compare quite well to most kits.
   
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Default 02-14-2007, 22:03 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

ok I've just finished reorganising the pre selected kits section. As i mentioned the lists missing a few good manufacturers atm, but i'll correct that after i get a bit more time.

Feel free to say if i've made the guide better or worse (I still have the old version saved in word i think) and also any other opinions ect...

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Default 02-14-2007, 22:17 | posts: 11,044 | Location: Woking

Great guide preacher. I like what you said about all in one kits. Alot of ppl around here have misconceptions that a lame Thermaltake solution will give them amazing results. U only get decent results if u pay for it with water, otherwise u may aswell stick with air and save some cash - glad u made that point.

Agree with pretty much all your recommendations tbh! BTW, the first link to XS (presume it was meant to be their thread on modded pump tops?) only links to the front page, not to the actual thread.
   
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Default 02-14-2007, 22:37 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

Thanks mate. Btw good eye for noticing the lost link. I think i've fixed it, but now cannot remember if that was the page i originally linked to, or if there was a page more specifically about the modded top. Anyways the page the link now leads to is related so that'll do for now.

Yeah, the issue of low end watercooling is a fairly a important issue to me, as I don't really think there's any need for 99% of them to be sold. I think in a lot of circumstances (cough...Thermaltake) it's exploitation of uninformed buyers who expect to get fantastic results just because it's water and "looks cool."
   
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Default 02-14-2007, 23:14 | posts: 10,707 | Location: U.K

worth a mention of the swiftech H20-120 in the 110-150 range???
   
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Default 02-15-2007, 06:18 | posts: 10,261 | Location: San Ramon, California

Yeah, I'd definately be very cautious about trying to combine value and watercooling. Take that $55 Tuniq tower, melt it down and make a radiator out of it, add in $100 or so for a pump, waterblock and everything else you'd need for a WC loop, and you have effectively accomplished nothing (the cooling capacity of a heatsink and radiator of the same mass probably being roughly the same), and now you're paying three times as much. The heat may be more effectively routed out of the case, but you could have accomplished the same thing with ducting the heatsink to an exhaust fan.

So the question really becomes in what sense is a Swiftech H20-80 kit a good deal, and I suspect the answer is only if watercooling is an end in itself for the buyer without any performance increase at all being necessary over the high-end air alternative that is still $100 less. In that case I would consider this one instead, it is a rebadged swiftech unit (with an older but still decent block) and has the 120 mm radiator, radbox and PCI slot pass-through for the tubing so mounting should be possible with any case. But even so I think I'd still caution that this is best as a "starter" model that you could eventually upgrade into the high-end kit that could get you the highest performance, handle any number of blocks, etc... and then there is still the issue that this would lock you into using 3/8" ID tubing with those upgrades, though that probably isn't too big a deal.

However, I think we can do better. Parts such as the Storm and Thermochill radiators may be the best, but odds are that only adds up to a few degrees, and then they are significantly more expensive. There are comparative bargains that still arguably rank in the high-end WC tier. For instance:

$108.75 D5 pump + TDX block bundle

-or-

$39.95 DD Mag 2 Pump
$34.00 White Water LE block

-and-

$42.95 Black Ice Extreme 2 Radiator
$13.44 12' Clearflex 60 Tubing 1/2" ID 3/4" OD
$30.00 Clamps and T-line, water and anti-freeze from local stores (hardware/grocery/automotive)
$20.00 Shipping and/or Tax

$180.34 (WW/Mag2) or $215.14 (TDX/D5). I'm not so sure of the Mag 2 but I believe it would do the job, but the D5 is nearly the best and both the WW and TDX are great blocks given they aren't the high-pressure drop microjet designs of the Storm and MP-05 SP. The BI:X2 radiator is certainly quite hefty, and we have an all 1/2" ID design. True that If a radbox is needed for mounting then that takes us close to $205/$230 at which point we are in Apex Ultra territory anyway, but even so I think the price premium over something like the H20-80 or 120 is well worth it.

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Default 02-15-2007, 18:03 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

Those are all good points G L, and i'll certainly mention a few of them in the thread. However in reply to your comments on the h20-80, the reason i recommended it above similiarly priced kits like the Corsair Cool, is because of the easy and simple upgrade path you get with the kit. I mean as i mentioned already, if you simply upgrade the radiator you've basically got a Ultra kit already, as a lot of the components such as block, pump ect... are high end right from the offset. Upgrading the COOL to similiar levels is much more difficult as you'll need a new block, radiator ect... I hope i explained my reasoning ok there, but i certainly get and agree with your point. In my opinion watercooling with a budget kit is pointless and i was very reluctant to include that section at all, but forced myself. Do you think i should remove it altogether?

oh and Copey I did consider that kit as it's got nice performance for the price, but tbh i think when spending that amount of money one should really be looking to a 2x120mm radiator. I understand that some people can't fit it in their case, but I just find it hard to recommend a case when their are better performing product (albeit with a larger volume consumption) for roughly the same price.

edit: btw Since this thread is stuck now and everything i'm going to write a short guide in here on getting the kit set up and working. It should be mentioned that it will be very general due to the huge number of possible combinations of parts, and the differences in how they need to be set up, but i'll do my best to include as much as i can.

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I hope i explained my reasoning ok there, but i certainly get and agree with your point. In my opinion watercooling with a budget kit is pointless and i was very reluctant to include that section at all, but forced myself. Do you think i should remove it altogether?
No, i think you should leave that section in there. Its good for people to know/see all the options available, just so long as you make the negatives of such a kit clear (which I think you do already)

BTW: seeing as we are on a watercooling thread, i just got informed that I have 2 G80 adaptor kits for the MCW60 in the post, which i dont need anymore (forgot about a preorder! Ooops) so if anyone is interested... PM me
   
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Default 02-15-2007, 19:42 | posts: 10,261 | Location: San Ramon, California

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Those are all good points G L, and i'll certainly mention a few of them in the thread. However in reply to your comments on the h20-80, the reason i recommended it above similiarly priced kits like the Corsair Cool, is because of the easy and simple upgrade path you get with the kit. I mean as i mentioned already, if you simply upgrade the radiator you've basically got a Ultra kit already, as a lot of the components such as block, pump ect... are high end right from the offset. Upgrading the COOL to similiar levels is much more difficult as you'll need a new block, radiator ect... I hope i explained my reasoning ok there, but i certainly get and agree with your point. In my opinion watercooling with a budget kit is pointless and i was very reluctant to include that section at all, but forced myself. Do you think i should remove it altogether?
The cool kit actually just is an older revision of the H20-120. It has the older waterblock and resevoir but AFAIK it has the same pump and radiator.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/23...?tl=g30c83s136
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/23...?tl=g30c83s136
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/23...?tl=g30c83s136

It also has the radbox and PCI-passthrough for the tubing while still being $20 cheaper than the H20-120 without either (and same price as the H20-80), so that would be my reasoning for preferring it. But that point of view is debatable...

No, I wouldn't take it out. You warn people that the difference over high-end air is small so if they buy one of those anyway then presumbably they want to watercool for reasons other than performance, and at least with your recommendations they end up with something that can be upraded to something more formidable in the future.

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Default 02-16-2007, 18:43 | posts: 10,261 | Location: San Ramon, California

Well, looks like I'll finally be going Conroe soon. So either I will try to round up a TDX conversion kit or probably more likely get a new block. I am somewhat tempted by this one:

http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant...de=Intel-CPUWB

Now I have seen the MP-05 SP go head to head with the Storm (narrowly losing) but not the SE with the 132 extra pins, anyone know how much of an impact that makes? For the record, by the time I'd consider quad-core they will be .045 micron so I doubt I'd be in the market for a Apogee GT or Dtek Fuzion.
   
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Default 02-16-2007, 19:27 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

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Well, looks like I'll finally be going Conroe soon. So either I will try to round up a TDX conversion kit or probably more likely get a new block. I am somewhat tempted by this one:

http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant...de=Intel-CPUWB

Now I have seen the MP-05 SP go head to head with the Storm (narrowly losing) but not the SE with the 132 extra pins, anyone know how much of an impact that makes? For the record, by the time I'd consider quad-core they will be .045 micron so I doubt I'd be in the market for a Apogee GT or Dtek Fuzion.
I believe that either of the "Special editions" (ie the "MP-05 PRO LIMITED EDITION" or the "MP-05 SP
LIMITED EDITION") will outperform the Storm, and they're also a bit less restrictive which will benefit the rest of your loop. Also i know you stated about the quad core already, but the just for the record any MP-05 outperforms the Storm when cooling quads...

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4476&s=7

Although you may not want to consider buying a quad, you should note that the excellent quad cooling performance will be reflected when it comes to reselling your block, as it will hold its value better than the storm.

Anyways all the MP-05 are great, and that one you picked out is a fantastic choice that i'd definately go for over the Storm.
   
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Default 02-17-2007, 18:32 | posts: 6,979 | Location: BC, Canada

k I've narrowed down my choices for a kit..

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Petra'sTech CoolKit Elite $250 (about 140 roughly)
I think for the price, this kit looks like a great deal. i'm wondering if anyone here has ever used it and has any comments on it..
Also, would this be a good kit for helping to overclock my c2d?? Cuz right now on air it idles upwards of 45-48c.. would I see a big enough decrease to justify the purchase??

Thanks again for the help and for this awesome thread.. its proving to come in handy
   
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Default 02-18-2007, 17:12 | posts: 10,261 | Location: San Ramon, California

Looks like the d-tek fuzion comes with that kit, anyone have any resultsfor that one?
   
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Nice Guide there! Haven't had time to get through it all but so far looks like some good job!
   
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Default 02-18-2007, 19:10 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

Thanks for all the comments guys, they're greatly appreciated.

btw anyone else noticed this...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=133825

I've been tracking it's progress a little of the last few weeks and it looks like it's going to be a great performer. Probably better than the MCW60, whilst also being less restrictive. It's a bit of a fugly block though which will put a few people off.
   
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Default 02-18-2007, 19:31 | posts: 6,346 | Location: Glass City

from what ive been able to gleen from xs and ocf dtek makes really good blocks.the fusion is really popular so thats saying something.being that enthusiasts are liking it.
that block is a bit bulky looking but hey it sits under the card so...lol.
   
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Default 02-18-2007, 20:31 | posts: 1,648 | Location: London, England

Yeah dtek make really great blocks from all accounts i've heard. They have very good quality control and all their blocks come nicely lapped and finished.

btw Maxfly, any news on your g80 Ek block yet? Like when it should be arriving?
   
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grrr no ive emailed them 3 times and nothing in response.im beginning to believe i made a poor decision in buying from them.im keeping my fingers crossed.ill try again tomorrow and if nothing comes of it ill probably cancel my order.
   
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