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Default NSA can follow nearly everything you do online in real-time - 08-01-2013, 08:15 | posts: 21,572 | Location: Guru3D testlab

In a report onÂ*VentureBeat Edward Snowden's latest relevations uncover that the NSA can basically see nearly everything you do online. This is getting a PR nightmare for the USA. According to the wh...

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yep, and nobody is going to do a damn thing about it
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 08:25 | posts: 7,606 | Location: Sunny Scotland

They Know Much More Than You Think
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...ore-you-think/

XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...am-online-data
   
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It doesn't really bother me tbh, if your a decent person and doing the right thing I cant see how this is problem, as long as they catch scum before they kill people I'm ok with it.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 08:54 | posts: 7,606 | Location: Sunny Scotland

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It doesn't really bother me tbh, if your a decent person and doing the right thing I cant see how this is problem, as long as they catch scum before they kill people I'm ok with it.
It's a product of the war on terror.
or the war of terror, whichever your standpoint.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:09 | posts: 156

Hey NSA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scqz_ZcPz-4
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:15 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

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It's a product of the war on terror.
or the war of terror, whichever your standpoint.
Bull****, there were always programs like this and always will be. It has nothing to do with the war on terror.

People forget that the internet is little more than an open public street. You can scream and yell whatever you want unto it, just don't expect a sudden right to privacy when you do that.

If you want, create your own private intranet and you can then be entitled to all the privacy you want.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:22 | posts: 7,606 | Location: Sunny Scotland

But the question is, if we let this go then what's next and what's after that, and what's left for our children?
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:23 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

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But the question is, if we let this go then what's next and what's after that, and what's left for our children?
A metadata of all the extremely important meme's you have uploaded.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:24 | posts: 7,606 | Location: Sunny Scotland

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A metadata of all the extremely important meme's you have uploaded.
like ..



Yes?
   
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Maybe the EU will step in after those reports. We already got the cookielaw. lol
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:26 | posts: 961

While I'm not doubting the capabilities of the NSA, and am against it for being a waste when it comes to blinding archiving web activities, the press on it is bordering on scaremongering. I haven't seen a decrease of any illegal activities online: media piracy, viruses, digital bank heist, identity theft, fraud- you name it. I haven't seen too many cases of it limiting anyone from doing whatever petty thing they want online, even without HTTPS, or even without Tor.

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The XKeyscore system is continuously collecting so much internet data that it can be stored only for short periods of time. Content remains on the system for only three to five days, while metadata is stored for 30 days. One document explains: "At some sites, the amount of data we receive per day (20+ terabytes) can only be stored for as little as 24 hours."
How the **** could you possibly accurately track or give a **** about internet data from a country of a population of 313.9 million alone? The only possible thing would be file hashes, and again, if they're barely able to scratch the service of media piracy, which would be easy, the hell?

So they'll log your porn searches and collect the money for the man/computer resources of doing so. What a waste.

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Default 08-01-2013, 09:32 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

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While I'm not doubting the capabilities of the NSA, and am against it for being a waste when it comes to blinding archiving web activities, the press on it is bordering on scaremongering. I haven't seen a decrease of any illegal activities online: media piracy, viruses, digital bank heist, identity theft, fraud- you name it. I haven't seen too many cases of it limiting anyone from doing whatever petty thing they want online, even without HTTPS, or even without Tor.



How the **** could you possibly accurately track or give a **** about internet data from a country of a population of 313.9 million alone? The only possible thing would be file hashes, and again, if they're barely able to scratch the service of media piracy, which would be easy, the hell?

So they'll log your porn searches and collect the money for the man/computer resources of doing so. What a waste.
No, they are looking for very specific indicators of activity which interests them; everything else is pretty much discarded almost immediately. Of those interested items, they go through a more intense filter and only a minor fraction remain afterwards. Finally, they get push upstairs for a mere clerk level person to briefly look at and categorize it and verify its interest. Afterwards, it might be pushed upstairs to the analysts or held for future reference.

The stuff you and I post however, is almost immediately deleted; they only have so much space.

Finally, the NSA is not responsible for nearly all the examples you posted, that is the area of the FBI. The NSA is responsible for collecting intelligence, not dealing with petty online crime.
   
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Thanks Chillin.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:36 | posts: 23,576 | Location: Netherlands

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The stuff you and I post however, is almost immediately deleted; they only have so much space.
Do you guys have a data retention law ?
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:37 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

And that's my point.

When they are able to suddenly store entire images of the internet and of what everyone did or wrote on there, then I'll start to get nervous.

Otherwise, they are really just interested in the stuff they are supposed to be interested about and not you or me unlike some people with inflated ego's would have you believe.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:39 | posts: 7,606 | Location: Sunny Scotland

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.. and not you or me unlike some people with inflated ego's would have you believe.
Alex Jones LOL, 'buy my videos!'
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:44 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

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Do you guys have a data retention law ?
Yes and no, mostly no. It depends on the security level of the database. To balance this, most data acquired without a warrant or similar is inadmissible in court unless there are exceptional circumstances.

There's also the civilian aspect:
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Unlike the EU,85 Israel does not have a general data retention statute. This means that telecom operators could ostensibly delete communications data promptly after using them for billing purposes. Indeed, a possible interpretation of the purpose limitation provisions in the PPA86 is that such deletion is required by privacy law. To this end, Section 11(e) of the GSSA authorizes the Prime Minister to promulgate rules ‘regarding the retention by a licensee of categories of data according to subsection (b), for a period that he determines’. As discussed, such rules, if they have been put in place, remain secret. A similar provision is not found in the Communications Data Act, raising doubts whether telecom operators must (or even may) retain data if not required to do so under the Prime Minister's national security rules.

The question of whether telecom providers are required (or indeed allowed) to retain communications data arose in the Amir Liran v Pelephone case.87 The plaintiff, a lawyer, requested that his two cellular operators delete his communications data after he settled his account. To assure the cellular operators he was not going to challenge their bills at a later stage, Liran was willing to execute a waiver of claims. He argued that retention of his communications data without a specific purpose infringes his privacy rights under the PPA. The Attorney General, who has authority to intervene in litigation in order to represent the public interest, submitted a brief in the case arguing that the Communications Data Act should be interpreted to permit data retention ‘for a reasonable period of time’. The Tel Aviv District Court accepted the Attorney General's argument, holding that absent a specific obligation to delete communications data, telecom operators were permitted to retain them. This decision was criticized by commentators, including the current author, who argued that the court misinterpreted the balance struck by the PPA between individual rights and legitimate business interests, and failed to take account of the constitutional status of the right to privacy.88
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:46 | posts: 6,440 | Location: Chilling

And by the way, everything I just said is open and common knowledge. I make no claim to know what goes on behind the scenes.

And like I said, I am mostly for such programs, but they have to have much more civilian oversight and open rulebooks.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:49 | posts: 23,576 | Location: Netherlands

ah ok. here everything is kept for 12 months.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 09:51 | posts: 961

Has Snowden even leaked everything he has yet? It seems he keeps pumping out tidbits when his urgency of "all powerful big brother spying on everyone" would suggest he should do otherwise, like uploading everything he has and then blowing his brains out. It's like he was hoping some country would set him up with a condo for his information.

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No, they are looking for very specific indicators of activity which interests them; everything else is pretty much discarded almost immediately.
It's still somewhat of a waste to go that route to begin with, especially when, like you said, much of it is of no value. But that's my argument though, that it's not of any value or concern.

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Finally, the NSA is not responsible for nearly all the examples you posted, that is the area of the FBI. The NSA is responsible for collecting intelligence, not dealing with petty online crime.
No, right. But those are (at least piracy) what the average person would fear about. Or their Facebook affair messages or whatever the ****. ISPs are even known to hold logs of up to year on internet traffic.

https://torrentfreak.com/how-long-do...s-logs-120629/

HOWEVER, open routers/wifi can throw a wrench in that. Most people up to something of a noteworthy threat to the public will at least be doing something as simple as looking for wifi spots, using Tor, and using very heavy encryption - if they're not seeing each other in person and transferring data that way (imagine trying to find a micro SD card). And that's only the tidbits I know of, god knows of other better ways.
   
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Default 08-01-2013, 10:11 | posts: 5,397 | Location: Logd n jst 2 change avatar

Perhaps the world is coming to an end and the us govt is trying to gather as much info of the human race as possible in order to rebuild our civilisation when/if the opportunity presents itself?
   
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Humanity wil end up below the earth before getting above the earth into space, down in those tunnels they make with the big machines.
   
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