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Default 07-26-2013, 00:30 | posts: 5,487 | Location: FLA,USA

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AMD drivers for single gpu setups work fine. It's Nvidia who have been having the issues recently with drivers and that's what we're talking about here
You should try a 69xx card and then say that they dropped proper support of the Cayman as soon as GCN was released. BTW I speak from experience you know I still use one.
   
 
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Default 07-26-2013, 00:33 | posts: 831 | Location: U.S

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I just got home myself what brand are your cards? and thanks
Gigabyte. Stock clock is 1137, with boost up to 1189. Mine will boost all the way up to 1241 though on average without any overclocking. OK, I thought I could upload a file using the website but I don't see an option, so should I just e-mail it to you?

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Default 07-26-2013, 00:36 | posts: 26,886 | Location: Hampshire, UK

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You should try a 69xx card and then say that they dropped proper support of the Cayman as soon as GCN was released. BTW I speak from experience you know I still use one.
Meh, who cares about 69xx cards, right? still, it's more important to get the new cards working.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 01:08 | posts: 19,079 | Location: New Jersey, USA

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Gigabyte. Stock clock is 1137, with boost up to 1189. Mine will boost all the way up to 1241 though on average without any overclocking. OK, I thought I could upload a file using the website but I don't see an option, so should I just e-mail it to you?
yeah Ill pm u my email
techpowerup just has gainward and palit 770 4gb bios
anybody with an evga 4gb classy bios?
   
 
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Default 07-26-2013, 02:12 | posts: 5,487 | Location: FLA,USA

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Meh, who cares about 69xx cards, right? still, it's more important to get the new cards working.
And you wonder why I jumped to Nvidia
In all seriousness the drivers were never stable for that card, and I'm sorry to report they aren't still and never will be
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 02:39 | posts: 1,578

Very strange I have had computers for about 25 years now and never had any driver issues with even NVidia or AMD gpus.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 02:43 | posts: 831 | Location: U.S

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yeah Ill pm u my email
techpowerup just has gainward and palit 770 4gb bios
anybody with an evga 4gb classy bios?
OK sent. BTW, can swapping out a BIOS improve overclocks by any chance? Never tried it before..
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 03:24 | posts: 1,278 | Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

I love how people say that it's not Nvidia's drivers that are the culprit, but system overclocks, etc. Explain why almost everyone is stable on 314.22, yet the moment they go to any of the 32x.xx series, everything goes to crap? Only thing that's changed is the driver, rollback to 314.22 fixes all the crashing issues. If it was OC degradation, it would crash regardless of the nvidia driver version.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 03:27 | posts: 5,711 | Location: PA, USA

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And you wonder why I jumped to Nvidia
In all seriousness the drivers were never stable for that card, and I'm sorry to report they aren't still and never will be
Yeah that's why I avoided the HD 6 series like the plague, and went to HD 7. Now I'm with Nvidia again with the GTX 780.

I always switch camps every generation, and I haven't had a problem doing such ever thus far.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 03:51 | posts: 159

I seem to have the worst timing. First I jump to amd with the 5800s and deal with crappy drivers for years.. now I jump the nvidia with the 6xx series and am dealing with a whole new world of crappy drivers.

Somehow I need to a do a better job of selection.
   
 
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Default 07-26-2013, 04:28 | posts: 7 | Location: Québec, Canada

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I love how people say that it's not Nvidia's drivers that are the culprit, but system overclocks, etc. Explain why almost everyone is stable on 314.22, yet the moment they go to any of the 32x.xx series, everything goes to crap? Only thing that's changed is the driver, rollback to 314.22 fixes all the crashing issues. If it was OC degradation, it would crash regardless of the nvidia driver version.
I don't know if you remember the GTX 560ti's Factory OC'd TDR fiasco from 2011 but most "drivers issue" got eventually fixed by Bios updates from Gigabyte,EVGA,Zotac etc...
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 05:44 | posts: 1,278 | Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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I don't know if you remember the GTX 560ti's Factory OC'd TDR fiasco from 2011 but most "drivers issue" got eventually fixed by Bios updates from Gigabyte,EVGA,Zotac etc...
Still doesn't explain why 314.22 and previous drivers are stable, yet 32x.xx is not. Your point actually supports my point since it means there's actually something wrong from Nvidia's side (drivers, bios, etc.) that doesn't actually have anything to do with the rest of the system.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 05:49 | posts: 7 | Location: Québec, Canada

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Still doesn't explain why 314.22 and previous drivers are stable, yet 32x.xx is not.
There's more optimization in 32x.xx drivers. The cards produce higher framerate overall so higher GPU usage resulting in more heat, more power draw etc. The cards work harder and are pushed closer to their limit so without enough headroom it just TDR.

I can see it myself on my reference card. With 314.22 my max stable boost OC'ed is 1202Mhz (1.175v). With 32x.xx the max stable is 1162Mhz (1.175v). So now let say my card was factory overclocked to 1175...
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 06:10 | posts: 1,278 | Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

There's a lot of crashing occuring with the 32x.xx drivers while the cards are idle (ie sitting on desktop doing nothing, boom, driver has crashed, recovered), has nothing to do with optimizations.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 06:22 | posts: 7 | Location: Québec, Canada

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There's a lot of crashing occuring with the 32x.xx drivers while the cards are idle (ie sitting on desktop doing nothing, boom, driver has crashed, recovered), has nothing to do with optimizations.
Crashing on the desktop is another story. There's more things to look at before blaming the drivers though. Windows updates is one thing. Personally i was getting crash in Resident Evil 5 and 6 benchmarks. It turned out to be the platform update for Windows 7 (KB2670838). Some guy on Nvidia forums even said he fixed all his TDR problem by uninstalling ALL windows 7 updates from 2013.

Personally my last real TDR (other than trying to find a stable overclock) was in september 2012 while i had a GTX 460. That's why i always ask myself "If the problem is the drivers and only the drivers" why in hell my PC never crash.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 06:44 | posts: 1,557 | Location: shropshire,UK

326.29's working great for me, had small prob with .19 version bu .29's running fine
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 07:02 | posts: 18

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Crashing on the desktop is another story. There's more things to look at before blaming the drivers though. Windows updates is one thing. Personally i was getting crash in Resident Evil 5 and 6 benchmarks. It turned out to be the platform update for Windows 7 (KB2670838). Some guy on Nvidia forums even said he fixed all his TDR problem by uninstalling ALL windows 7 updates from 2013.
The majority of people I've seen complaining of these driver crashes have them happen while their system is either idling or in a very low-powered state (web browsing, basic desktop use), and when more specific they mention that it seems to happen after around 1.5 days or 36 hours of system use. That's pretty specific timing across multiple different systems. The fact that, for a lot of people, going back to pre-320 branch drivers fixes those crashes and allows their systems to run stably for seemingly as long as they want to keep them on, tells me that there's a problem with the way Nvidia have made these newer drivers. Whether it's entirely on them, or whether it's related to a specific Windows update or whatever, it's still something that Nvidia need to address and find a solution to if they don't want a bunch of customers swearing off their products.

edit: Ha, right after posting this, an Nvidia rep popped in at the GeForce forums to mention that they know of the issue and are working on it. Well, that's good to hear finally. He also asks for people to send them mini (and full) crash dumps if you happen to get any. So, I guess that's something to check for people having problems.

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Default 07-26-2013, 07:41 | posts: 155 | Location: somewhere called australia

NV drivers been fine here.

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Default 07-26-2013, 08:07 | posts: 1,278 | Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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edit: Ha, right after posting this, an Nvidia rep popped in at the GeForce forums to mention that they know of the issue and are working on it. Well, that's good to hear finally. He also asks for people to send them mini (and full) crash dumps if you happen to get any. So, I guess that's something to check for people having problems.
Yup, that's exactly what I'm talking about. If everything 32x.xx causes these crashes, yet 314.22 (and older) don't, with no other change in the system, it clearly points to driver. 314.22 work just fine anyhow, so it's not a big deal.
   
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Their customer support and especially outreach is really good, as are their products, their pricing sucks though, ever since that damned Titan beast lol.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 12:11 | posts: 19,079 | Location: New Jersey, USA

Dafuk am I going to reinstall a bad driver to send nvidia a crash dump. Do they still test the drivers before release?
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 12:42 | posts: 312 | Location: Holland

TS, amd got much better drivers, less stutters and beter performance. Nvidia have some bad frame times.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 13:07 | posts: 300 | Location: Riyadh

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yeah Ill pm u my email
techpowerup just has gainward and palit 770 4gb bios
anybody with an evga 4gb classy bios?
I have 3 GTx680 FTW 4GB cards with stock BIOS, what are you looking for?
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 13:07 | posts: 4,658 | Location: Israel

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TS, amd got much better drivers, less stutters and beter performance. Nvidia have some bad frame times.
Actually that the other way around, last driver only wasn't as good as usual nvidia drivers.
   
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Default 07-26-2013, 15:01 | posts: 19,079 | Location: New Jersey, USA

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I have 3 GTx680 FTW 4GB cards with stock BIOS, what are you looking for?
770 bios
   
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