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Default 03-18-2013, 23:40 | posts: 1,644 | Location: Pennsylvania

Not bad scores for the 4770k.
Well I am interested in that i5 4670k. I was eying a 2500K but that processor might not be available in a years time when I upgrade the rig that I have now due to the fact that CPU is going to be EOL at some point. Plus upgrading to a 3570k after the Haswell processors are released would be pointless. With my current rig any i5 or i7 CPU would be a huge upgrade for me.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 23:52 | posts: 10,554 | Location: United kingdom

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Default 03-19-2013, 00:24 | posts: 13,558 | Location: USA

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whats up with the rig in your specs? another client rig?
Yea. helping my father in law out part time until things slow down. Tax season is pretty much balls to the wall around here.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 00:26 | posts: 10,986 | Location: Finland

It looks like I'm not upgrading anytime soon. Might skip Broadwell too.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 00:35 | posts: 2,541 | Location: Look out!

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TDP = 84 vs IB = 77?
This is what im wondering aswell.

Well see how power efficient is once the reviews come out. Intel has been puking rainbows about Haswell power efficiency, need to see how much truth is in that.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 00:44 | posts: 26,668 | Location: Hampshire, UK

is SB TDP around 65W? iirc. I'll be skipping Haswell too, same as Anarion, will probably skipp Broadwell as well.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 00:46 | posts: 13,558 | Location: USA

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is SB TDP around 65W? iirc. I'll be skipping Haswell too, same as Anarion, will probably skipp Broadwell as well.
K series was 95w. S series was 65w
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 00:46 | posts: 18,719 | Location: New Jersey, USA

95w according to cpuz
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 00:48 | posts: 26,668 | Location: Hampshire, UK

weird, thought IB had higher TDP than SB, or does IB have higher TDP when overclocked?

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Default 03-19-2013, 01:08 | posts: 7,188 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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This is what im wondering aswell.

Well see how power efficient is once the reviews come out. Intel has been puking rainbows about Haswell power efficiency, need to see how much truth is in that.
They moved the VRMs off the motherboard and integrated them into the CPU. So instead of having like 75w CPU and 25w motherboard, they have like 84w CPU and 5w motherboard. Also the CPU can now shift states much, much faster.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 01:14 | posts: 13,558 | Location: USA

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They moved the VRMs off the motherboard and integrated them into the CPU. So instead of having like 75w CPU and 25w motherboard, they have like 84w CPU and 5w motherboard. Also the CPU can now shift states much, much faster.
So no more blocky heatsinks getting in the way of my cpu fans?
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 01:59 | posts: 513 | Location: chicago area

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So no more blocky heatsinks getting in the way of my cpu fans?
thats the biggest thing i like about the 1150 socket stuff so far. they also die shrunk the chipsets on the motherboards. i hope amd partners do the same with the next batch of amd boards.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 05:07 | posts: 6,889 | Location: Dubai

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They moved the VRMs off the motherboard and integrated them into the CPU. So instead of having like 75w CPU and 25w motherboard, they have like 84w CPU and 5w motherboard. Also the CPU can now shift states much, much faster.
So how much of a difference will the motherboard make now that they're slowly shifting so much to the CPU itself?
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 05:13 | posts: 1,749 | Location: BBQ Capital of the World

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I think i will pick up a 3770k for 230 dollars at microcenter and get a 650 ti...
it might not make a difference for me since i do not game much....but i am going to do it and then wait for gen after haswell
i'd splurge and go for the 660ti, much better card and worth the difference.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 09:34 | posts: 7,512 | Location: GTA, Canada

I've been waiting forever so even though it looks like Intel has thrown performance out the window (no surprise considering the complete lack of competition) I'll still be upgrading. I hope those things can actually OC this time around and use something better than used chewing gum as thermal adhesive.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 11:08 | posts: 1,019 | Location: Tiny Town in USA

So not only will Haswell fall behind IB in some performance tests, but it also looks like it may use a little more energy. It's starting to remind me of Bulldozer's release.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 11:28 | posts: 7,188 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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So how much of a difference will the motherboard make now that they're slowly shifting so much to the CPU itself?
Very little, in fact it's one of the reasons why I supported BGA for the most part. The Motherboard is slowly just becoming a giant bus/interconnect and as a result should get considerably cheaper. Motherboard manufacturers are going to have to find new ways to remain relevant and differentiate their boards from competition with value add features. I mean they already do this to an extent. But without the ability to have "OC ULTRA MEGA SUPER VRM OVERCLOCK 10,000" they'll probably move to things like better on board sound, being able to overclock from your watch, or whatever stupid ideas they've been adding lately.

I'd rather them just integrate the two and have things like better cooling via double sided heat dissipation. Plus you get a better connection electrically and don't have to worry about pin design when laying out the processor. You can get far more funky with the design.

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So not only will Haswell fall behind IB in some performance tests, but it also looks like it may use a little more energy. It's starting to remind me of Bulldozer's release.
Again, it's shifting energy. They are moving power from the motherboard to the processor. Overall it's a net loss in total system power and that's the point. Intel doesn't care about you're ability to overclock when they can sell a hundred million more processors in things like tablets. Previously, compared to arm, at best Intel would have half the battery life. Now because they made that change and because they have the ability to race to sleep significantly quicker, they will be much closer to ARMs energy performance.

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Default 03-19-2013, 20:34 | posts: 1,315

I've got a new rig recently and I am still amazed by the switch from a Phenom II to an i7-3770K. So, I'll skip a generation or 2 before another upgrade.

It looks like I am not missing out much, considering the slight performance gain of the i7-4770K.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 20:58 | posts: 5,674 | Location: PA, USA

Wow, well I'm sticking to my 3770K for sure. I don't like seeing a new generation chip, that is supposed to replace the last, fall behind in tests. Of course it's not all the time, but I don't think it should happen at all.

It really seems that Intel is hitting a wall thanks to AMD not putting up a better fight in the CPU market.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 23:10 | posts: 7,512 | Location: GTA, Canada

With all this talk about parts being moved onto the chip taking a dump on OC potential I'm really curious to see how they OC now. I was hoping for 5GHz on standard cooling (high end air, contained crappy liquid) but by the sound of things that might not be possible.

I might just get whatever model has no hyper threading since having that disabled greatly decreases the chip's heat, allows for a higher OC. As 99% of programs stand now (and in 2 years I bet) single and dual threaded performance are still the most important. Giving up 8 meh threads for 4 strong ones is probably the better choice.
   
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Default 03-19-2013, 23:19 | posts: 3,508 | Location: USA

Wow I like to see what the i5 chip can do, From what I can these i7 would run circles around my i7 920
   
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Default 03-20-2013, 01:49 | posts: 7,512 | Location: GTA, Canada

Btw, what is the current estimated release date?
   
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Default 03-20-2013, 02:23 | posts: 955

i jus got this 3770k after haswell was delayed,meh will skip it
   
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Default 03-20-2013, 02:30 | posts: 7,188 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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Btw, what is the current estimated release date?
It's supposed to be June but i'm betting July/August.
   
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Default 03-20-2013, 03:39 | posts: 9,769 | Location: UK

I'll be skipping this as well methinks.
A lot of cost for little real benefit over a 2500K with single GPU, and buying now means being a guinea pig.
I'd rather see what issues there are before splurging.

Looks like this 2500K will get to see 4 years in my PC, its over 2 already !
Time for an upgrade of ram though, 4GB is getting a bit small.
Where has all the CAS6 and CAS7 ram gone?
   
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