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Default 03-18-2013, 16:40 | posts: 10,385 | Location: Toledo Ohio

Intel is smart enough to realize that their igpu sector simply won't match amd's. Amd will always have the advantage of dual gpu setup with their APU series, something intel won't have unless they release a discrete gpu just for this.

Intel is going for what they know best, power per wattage ratings. Which they getter better and better with mind you.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 16:42 | posts: 6,300 | Location: Sunny Scotland

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Intel is smart enough to realize that their igpu sector simply won't match amd's. Amd will always have the advantage of dual gpu setup with their APU series, something intel won't have unless they release a discrete gpu just for this.

Intel is going for what they know best, power per wattage ratings. Which they getter better and better with mind you.
Yes, in the big picture of things this 4770k is beastly.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 16:47 | posts: 17,810 | Location: New Jersey, USA

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meh.
That's exactly what I said when I read about IB
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 16:52 | posts: 719 | Location: Guatemala

In my case i think its worth the upgrade, i been more than happy with my 2500k, but at that time i didnt need hyperthreading, lately i been using much more encoding.... so a 4770k seems like a good bet, there wont be anything better for two more years (since broadwell is only a die shrink, or if there is a Haswell E), so this should give time for sata express and others tec to be included in the next toc.

Either way hope AMD catches up intel slack "milking us with barely any upgrades...."
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 17:29 | posts: 1,019 | Location: Tiny Town in USA

Hopefully, Skylake will be worth it. Looking at its Wikipedia entry it should have mainstream DDR4 support.

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Default 03-18-2013, 18:29 | posts: 6,193 | Location: USA

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That's exactly what I said when I read about IB
at least haswell is bigger upgrade than ivy was to sandy.. im waiting on haswell-e 8core.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 18:55 | posts: 500 | Location: France

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You did that on a thousand dollar CPU?! Damn
done to mine and to some friends one too...
lot more heat place for OC and no problem at all since.

the secret is: be patient, soft and carefull.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 19:06 | posts: 658

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The performance looks somewhat lacklustre compared to my 3770K, oh well at least I can divert funds to another part of my rig instead
My thoughts exactly.

Even if it doesn't get as hot at higher temps (assuming they fixed the dieshrink issue), the 3770K would be the more economical choice, especially if it gets a nice discount. I'll upgrade to a newer socket once they iron all the inevitable kinks out, and there's more of a real world performance gain.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 19:15 | posts: 6,850 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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My thoughts exactly.

Even if it doesn't get as hot at higher temps (assuming they fixed the dieshrink issue), the 3770K would be the more economical choice, especially if it gets a nice discount. I'll upgrade to a newer socket once they iron all the inevitable kinks out, and there's more of a real world performance gain.
Honestly with integrated VRMs I'd actually think the processor would be either the same as Ivy if they did improve the TIM/IHS or hotter. I mean obviously it's going to reduce total system power and make heat dissipation more efficient as all the heat is being generated in one spot but it's probably something that gamers don't want to hear.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 19:31 | posts: 8,841 | Location: The Zone

Seems like tech advancement has really slowed down these days.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 19:39 | posts: 5,127 | Location: FLA,USA

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Personally i'd like to try an i7, i've never owned one.
My exact thought that an PCI-e 3.0.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 19:40 | posts: 296

Again, evolution instead of revolution. I remember my search for a new CPU. I didn't have much money and so looked at the i7-950 that was being phased out back then, price cut to half (250). Just when I finally had the money, Sandybridge arrived. And suddenly that 300 i7-2600k stomped previous 900 CPUs into the ground. I was happy Since then nothing has really been worth upgrading. I'm sitting at comfy 4 GHz, stock voltage and know I can go higher if I need to.

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Default 03-18-2013, 19:54 | posts: 658

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I mean obviously it's going to reduce total system power and make heat dissipation more efficient as all the heat is being generated in one spot but it's probably something that gamers don't want to hear.
Yeah pretty much was my deciding factor between Sandy vs Ivy. $10 more for more efficiency -- albeit slightly hotter (not a problem with water or good air cooling), less power usage. For an HTPC, Haswell makes a good chip. Though, most people don't want to fork out that kind of money for that kind of application. I really am curious about the temps though, but that'll be answered soon enough. Surprised Tom's Hardware didn't include what most of us are wanting to see, but that's probably saved for another article.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 20:10 | posts: 17,810 | Location: New Jersey, USA

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My exact thought that an PCI-e 3.0.
I doubt pci e 3.0 is going to help much, It may based on your resolution
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 20:11 | posts: 17,810 | Location: New Jersey, USA

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at least haswell is bigger upgrade than ivy was to sandy.. im waiting on haswell-e 8core.
yeah its a bit bigger jump, I dont know if I want to update the socket and just have a quad core again to throw in there
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 20:22 | posts: 1,259 | Location: Portugal

It seams ill be running my 3570k as people have been running their 920s for years.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 20:22 | posts: 3,086 | Location: Lebanon

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My thoughts exactly.

Even if it doesn't get as hot at higher temps (assuming they fixed the dieshrink issue), the 3770K would be the more economical choice, especially if it gets a nice discount. I'll upgrade to a newer socket once they iron all the inevitable kinks out, and there's more of a real world performance gain.
Real problem is not the dieshrink, nor the 3D transistors. The real problem is the thermal paste used between the CPU die and the integrated heatspreader instead of fluxless solder like before. This is why many enthusiasts "delid" their CPUs and replace the stock Intel thermal paste with an aftermarmet thermal interface material (Coollaboratory Liquid Metal Ultra, or other non-metallic thermal paste).
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 20:23 | posts: 6,193 | Location: USA

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yeah its a bit bigger jump, I dont know if I want to update the socket and just have a quad core again to throw in there
yeah im not buying another quad core..
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 20:37 | posts: 1,019 | Location: Tiny Town in USA

I'd rather see better performance per core instead of more than four cores, at least for gaming.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 21:41 | posts: 12,837 | Location: USA

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That's exactly what I said when I read about IB
The only reason I even got that 3770k was because I got it and that Sabertooth z77 for next to nothing. Otherwise I wouldn't of bothered with it.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 21:56 | posts: 6,850 | Location: Above Earth in a Big Rocket Ship

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Real problem is not the dieshrink, nor the 3D transistors. The real problem is the thermal paste used between the CPU die and the integrated heatspreader instead of fluxless solder like before. This is why many enthusiasts "delid" their CPUs and replace the stock Intel thermal paste with an aftermarmet thermal interface material (Coollaboratory Liquid Metal Ultra, or other non-metallic thermal paste).
Actually the thermal paste has nothing to do with it. It's the gap between the IHS and the chip.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...&postcount=570

I mean yeah obviously better paste makes a small difference, but the vast majority comes from removing the glue. So if you delidded and didn't remove the glue as good as you should -- go back and do it, you'll drop much further.

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Seems like tech advancement has really slowed down these days.
Not really, it's just moved to things don't effect gamers.
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 22:02 | posts: 17,810 | Location: New Jersey, USA

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The only reason I even got that 3770k was because I got it and that Sabertooth z77 for next to nothing. Otherwise I wouldn't of bothered with it.
whats up with the rig in your specs? another client rig?
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 22:42 | posts: 11,408 | Location: England

Looks like I'll be running my 3770k delid for a while yet. Somewhat glad, as I fancy a top of the range Lian Li case next anyway! We are quite sad aren't we?! lol
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 23:04 | posts: 4,649 | Location: Logd n jst 2 change avatar

@^))K gonna last me awhile yet.

Edit:2600k
   
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Default 03-18-2013, 23:33 | posts: 4,606 | Location: Not Far North Enough (England)

My old "980X" is still going strong. I have no intention of changing this chip for the forseeable future, unless something epically awesome (IB-E?) comes along and utterly annihilates it in terms of performance and overclockability, but given this will 4.6 GHz, i'm not worried. Still tweaking the OC at the minute for absolute max performance, but the old beast has a lot to give.
   
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