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Default MS Windows 8/RT discussion Topic - 01-23-2013, 09:28 | posts: 18,218 | Location: Turkey

Well, there is a conversation is going on in W8 threat. If it is okay, lets continue in here.

Some members already talked m


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The thing is, WinRT is a bit DOA.
A full Win8 (not RT) tablets (like Surface Pro) powered with IB or Haswell CPUs are coming around shortly, and most people only knows WinRT as 'Surface' due to MS unfocused advertisements, thus expecting a 'Surface' to have a full Win8 OS when it's not, further dwindling any already established interests; please view this from the average Joe/Jane's perspective, not us the more experienced PC users.

Which is, of course, a Surface isn't a full Win8 device, nor any other WinRT devices.
WinRT tries to fill whatever imaginary gap iOS and Android didn't manage to fill.
Moreover, WinRT devices are severely impacted by its price.

Apple made it just fine with high prices because they were "first", along with its walled garden ecosystem and a well-established user base and brand.
Google (with Android) made it just fine because most of Android devices are available on any price range imaginable.
MS came late with WinRT, offers nothing more than both iOS and Android aside from it being "Windows" but falls short of it being a full Windows, and competes in the high-end range price-wise, and no cheaper variants.
If there's any (probable) advantage of Surface (or any other WinRT devices, I presume) is that it has Office included.

Heck, even RIM's upcoming BB10 has more devs developing apps for it compared to WinRT.
Most WinRT devs are either rather pissed-off or being apologetic due to MS inadvertently killing WinRT with its device's price range and the shortly upcoming full Win8 tablets.
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I was considering a "Surface" tablet until I saw the prices.... Unlike alot of Android tablets....Surface isn't aimed at the average consumer. It's price proves that. The average consumer can't afford a $500 tablet with limited functionality.
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.... it's not really aimed at being a competitor to Android tablets. The standard Surface tablet basically has no less functionality than an iPad.... if not actually having MORE functionality. And the Surface Pro starts at $900, but IS a full-fledged Windows 8 OS on a tablet, capable of running any program your desktop can. Probably the main thing that's the cause for price differences between Android tablets and iOS/W8 tablets is the nature of the OS... that being that Android is completely open source and free to anyone.

and on another note.... yep.... no display on TV due to HDMI cable being sh*t.
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iOS has a considerably larger app library than WinRT....which to most users, makes it worth more than Surface. There's also the sense of stability that comes with an iPad...you know it's not going to become completely worthless because Apple decides to release a new version (like what MS did to WP7 users with WP8)....

Whether WinRT was intended to be a competitor to Android or not....it's being sold in the same market and as a result, will be competing directly with Android. There's no way to avoid it.
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WindowsRT devices do not support x86 software at all.... That's why I said the Surface tablet has limited functionality. If you want x86 compatibility....you have to pay the extortionist price tag on the Surface Pro....
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How is it "Extortionist"? It's essentially an ultrabook that you can use on the go WITHOUT looking like you're someone who'd take pictures/video at a public place with an iPad.... and the cheapest ultrabook with a touchscreen is still $700.
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Show me where they've invested even 50% of it's sale price to actually build it.... MS has had a greater than 50% profit margin on the WinRT based Surface....I'd expect to see the same profit margin on the Surface Pro....which is ripping off consumers. Neither are "premium" devices....nor do they offer a "premium" experience.

I can get an Android based tablet that's more capable for half what a Surface costs....or just as capable for less than half of what a Surface Pro is going to cost. The only thing that might be lacking, is printer support....which is negligible for most people anyway.

Also, Ultrabooks have a reasonable profit margin on the entry-level and mainstream models.
Im happy with my Lenovo Yoga 11" tablet-Laptop. It is RT windows. It wont run exe files. But still flexible than my ipad or android tablet interms of usability. Easy to use, surfing is fast and multi tasking capability is just like windows.

Anyway, i dont need to run games on it ninhave devices for that. But i would like to run some exe programs to benefit. Such as logmein remote computer program or security camera dvr program which uses activex browser method too but unfortunately windows8 ie wont run activex

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Lol. Nobody cares about windows tablets. I'm a sad person =(
   
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well it is crystal clear that W8 RT can do multi tasking as easy as a normal W8 OS

and i must add that my Galaxy TAB 2 10.1 can does printing lol ..well iam selling it anyway after yoga.. i put it into online selling site.

and.. multi tasking is still abit cheezy on android tablets, dont u think so? at least not as good as W8 RT. and y u no continue in here : (

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it feels like an orphan :.(
My android tablet doesn't do multi-tasking....lol. It's a Craig 7" tablet with Android 2.2 and a 700mhz ARM9 processor and 256mb ram. My android phone works just fine once TouchWiz is replaced by something that actually works.....such as Nemus launcher.


   
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Again, sykozis, i'm not really talking about Windows 8 RT when i'm talking about Android not coming close to being as capable. I'm talking about Surface Pro, or any tablet that's running the full-fledged Windows 8.... which technically could run any game you'd play on your PC, not just "cheesy games". Surface Pro uses an Intel Core i5 processor with an Intel HD Graphics 4000 chipset, and has 4GB of dual channel memory... double that of the standard Surface tablet running on Tegra 3. It has a full-size USB 3.0 port, which yes, you can use a USB OTG adapter for tablets and other android phones to use some stuff, but i'm pretty sure there are still things that they wouldn't support over USB that Windows obviously would. It also has a DisplayPort connection so you could connect it to a secondary monitor, which again you could do with android devices, but it doesn't really increase productivity on those... generally just mirror's the screen. And i wouldn't be surprised if we see a Port Replicator come out for the Surface Pro to allow you to connect a whole lot more to it, as they have for laptops and such.
   
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Default 01-24-2013, 02:04 | posts: 15,585 | Location: US East Coast

So....spend $899 for the Surface Pro. Spend about $100-150 for it's keyboard/cover. Then buy a mouse...... At that point, might as well buy an Ultrabook. You can get a decent 10" Android tablet for $350....that on purely tablet features/function, is just as capable as ANY Surface tablet. If you want a laptop....buy a laptop. If you want a tablet, buy a tablet. Why buy a confused device trying to do both?


   
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Default 01-24-2013, 02:32 | posts: 5,805 | Location: Sandbox

It's a laptop with a detachable screen & optional keyboard and not a tablet.
   
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MS advertises it as the Surface tablet and Surface Pro tablet.....


   
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They can call it Lindt licensed dark chocolate tablets all I care.
   
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MS advertises it as the Surface tablet and Surface Pro tablet.....
i dont know if Surface is same as My Lenovo Yoga 11"..will heck it out..price tag and hardware.

here is Surface/PRO





And Surface Rivals

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Mic..._id7181/rivals

by the way my Yoga comes with HDMI output too..not bad.

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Why buy a confused device trying to do both?
Because from what I've seen the Surface Pro isn't confused at all. It can do both. Granted, the price is a bit high but that's normal considering it's a new product. Also, why would you need to buy a mouse? With touch screen and track pads on either of the keyboards I really don't see the reason for needing a mouse. Not to mention you can just use any mouse you may already have.
   
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Because from what I've seen the Surface Pro isn't confused at all. It can do both. Granted, the price is a bit high but that's normal considering it's a new product. Also, why would you need to buy a mouse? With touch screen and track pads on either of the keyboards I really don't see the reason for needing a mouse. Not to mention you can just use any mouse you may already have.
"Here's why Surface Pro is less portable than an Ultrabook"

http://www.zdnet.com/heres-why-surfa...ok-7000009890/
   
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I'm sorry, but i basically ignored whatever that guy said once he pointed out the footprint of the device. Unless you have an ultrabook with a touchscreen that is able to be rotated and folded down so that it acts as a tablet, your ultrabook is really only usable when sitting down or with a high table. Using a laptop while walking around makes you look like a moron. It can be a tablet... and it can be a laptop.... all depends on the situation. If i had a Surface/Surface Pro tablet, and was using it while in the living room with it on my lap, i certainly wouldn't think to myself "Why don't i use this like a laptop!". I would use it like a standard laptop. Also, what they apparently didn't notice, which is something that i found out watching a video review of the standard Surface tablet shortly after it came out, is that you can fold whichever keyboard attachment you get for it back so it goes under the Surface's stand, so it will stay standing if on your lap, without having to worry about the "center of gravity" wanting to drag it off your lap, and upon doing so, the input for the keyboard is automatically disabled, so you don't wind up typing with your knees.
   
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The only negative point so far for my RT device is, I can't install chrome browser. That is sad for me
   
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The only negative point so far for my RT device is, I can't install chrome browser. That is sad for me
http://www.chromestory.com/2012/11/g...rt-no-not-yet/

it looks that it wont happen, well see in the future
eventually they will release one
i just found the google+ app for windows RT
it's just a matter of thime, they compile Chrome for ARM/W8

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http://www.chromestory.com/2012/11/g...rt-no-not-yet/

it looks that it wont happen, well see in the future
eventually they will release one
i just found the google+ app for windows RT
it's just a matter of thime, they compile Chrome for ARM/W8
Interestingly IE works good. But I love to access my other devices browser tabs from chrome.
   
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"Here's why Surface Pro is less portable than an Ultrabook"

http://www.zdnet.com/heres-why-surfa...ok-7000009890/
Here's why the writer of this article is a ****ing idiot.

YOU IGNORED THE ****ING TABLET MODE ON A TABLET/LAPTOP COMBO YOU IDIOT.

Anyone linking it is almost as dumb as the writer.

Hey guys, today I'm going to show you, while ignoring half it's features, why the H100 Corsair cooler has such a terrible design. Now, I'm going to ignore its use for water cooling processors, and instead I'm going to use it as a paperweight. Why? Because the H100 is not a good water cooler and if you wanted to watercool something you would have bought something custom anyway.

What I said, when compared directly, isn't even ridiculous, it's exactly what he said, just applied to a tablet.
   
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Here's why the writer of this article is a ****ing idiot.

YOU IGNORED THE ****ING TABLET MODE ON A TABLET/LAPTOP COMBO YOU IDIOT.

Anyone linking it is almost as dumb as the writer.

Hey guys, today I'm going to show you, while ignoring half it's features, why the H100 Corsair cooler has such a terrible design. Now, I'm going to ignore its use for water cooling processors, and instead I'm going to use it as a paperweight. Why? Because the H100 is not a good water cooler and if you wanted to watercool something you would have bought something custom anyway.

What I said, when compared directly, isn't even ridiculous, it's exactly what he said, just applied to a tablet.
Unbelievable! Ultra Facepalm.

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So at this point we have:

- Surface on a desk. Fine (but the screen is too small).

- Surface on a lap. If you're under 5'7", you will likely not be able to fit it on your lap. And if you are 5'7" or over, it really is a case of proactively balancing with a much higher risk of it falling to the ground than a laptop.

- Surface on a plane or train table. Your mileage may vary, but it's likely to be much less usable than an Ultrabook with a similarly-sized screen.
what about Surface as TABLET?

and other articles

http://www.zdnet.com/meet-the-team/u...xter-reynolds/

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Lenovo's IdeaPad Yoga 11 continues to prove that Windows RT is pointless
really?

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If BB10 upgrades are a nightmare, why not jump to iPhone now?
and this person get paid for these .

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Here's why the writer of this article is a ****ing idiot.

YOU IGNORED THE ****ING TABLET MODE ON A TABLET/LAPTOP COMBO YOU IDIOT.

Anyone linking it is almost as dumb as the writer.

Hey guys, today I'm going to show you, while ignoring half it's features, why the H100 Corsair cooler has such a terrible design. Now, I'm going to ignore its use for water cooling processors, and instead I'm going to use it as a paperweight. Why? Because the H100 is not a good water cooler and if you wanted to watercool something you would have bought something custom anyway.

What I said, when compared directly, isn't even ridiculous, it's exactly what he said, just applied to a tablet.
insulting me does not make your opinion any more valid, it just makes you childish.
   
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insulting me does not make your opinion any more valid, it just makes you childish.
I also want to point out that i was facepalmingnthe lack of tablet mode pointing. Not you bro. I love u all. Lol.
   
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i considered the surface, but then i realised that its quite limited on an arm chip. it tries to squeeze itself between the arm and x86 market a bit too much, but it lacks the app market of android and x86 windows. (not sure if im explaining that properly but i guess you can understand what i mean?)

plus, it has the problem that i predicted it would, windows 8 is a space consumer and you end up with only 8gb or so free on the 32gb model, and 40gb ish on the 64gb model.

i think i'll wait for the surface pro since i'll more likely appreciate the x86 compatibility and just keep my note 2/nexus 7 for more portable stuff.
   
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In a few years all the mid and high range tablets will run windows 8, and android is going to be used for only the cheapest models of tablets.
Who would prefer android over the full version of windows 8 lol.

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You can get a decent 10" Android tablet for $350....that on purely tablet features/function, is just as capable as ANY Surface tablet. If you want a laptop....buy a laptop. If you want a tablet, buy a tablet. Why buy a confused device trying to do both?
Ahhahahaha

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The only reason it stand out for me and want it is because of the wacom technology 1024 pressure sensitivity. Perfect for drawing
   
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The only reason it stand out for me and want it is because of the wacom technology 1024 pressure sensitivity. Perfect for drawing
The Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 has a Wacom pen and digitizer too..

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The Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 has a Wacom pen and digitizer too..

deltatux
but the galaxy note run on android os, can't install windows 7 software like photoshop
   
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