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Intel Haswell Core i7 and Core i5 specs leak onto the web
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Default Intel Haswell Core i7 and Core i5 specs leak onto the web - 12-11-2012, 14:10 | posts: 21,103 | Location: Guru3D testlab

The Asian version of VR Zone is showing specifications of fourteen of Intel's upcoming Core i5 and Core i7 "Haswell" series desktop processors. It seems there will be six "standard ...

Intel Haswell Core i7 and Core i5 specs leak onto the web
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 14:45 | posts: 811 | Location: Sheffield, England

Yet again disabling virtualization on the unlocked chips... that's really sucky!
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 14:46 | posts: 1,302 | Location: Mars

So basically we´re looking at a minor refresh because even the clock speeds are equal to the actual CPUs...

The only noteworthy feature seems to be the lower TDPs.

Well , i guess this is what happens when there´s little to no competition.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 14:48 | posts: 6,801 | Location: Dubai

Why remove virtualization? Meh .. I think I'll hold on to my X58 setup a while longer. I hope they suffer more due to their apparent inability to adapt to the mobile market.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 14:56 | posts: 165 | Location: Spain

Seriously, stop with the socket madness :/
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 15:00 | posts: 5,548

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Yet again disabling virtualization on the unlocked chips... that's really sucky!
Standard virtualization will almost certainly be available, what is disabled is directed I/O (Vt-d) which allows more than one VM to run at same time without significantly hampering performance when they access same hardware at same time. No biggie to most VM users I would think.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 15:06 | posts: 4,846 | Location: London

Higher TDP for the unlocked chips? They're gunna need more than a 10% increase in clock-for-clock performance to make up for the increased draw then, given they're running similar speeds to IB.
   
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So basically we´re looking at a minor refresh because even the clock speeds are equal to the actual CPUs...

The only noteworthy feature seems to be the lower TDPs.

Well , i guess this is what happens when there´s little to no competition.
It's actually funny, I think this is the most competition Intel has ever had, it's just not from AMD or even destkop CPU's in general it's from ARM and mobile parts.

Anyway, the refresh is in the GPU. From the start Haswell was being pegged to be GPU based like Ivybridge, little in the actual CPU, everything into the GPU. You're going to see the biggest gains in integrated graphics.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 15:13 | posts: 1,302 | Location: Mars

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It's actually funny, I think this is the most competition Intel has ever had, it's just not from AMD or even destkop CPU's in general it's from ARM and mobile parts.

Anyway, the refresh is in the GPU. From the start Haswell was being pegged to be GPU based like Ivybridge, little in the actual CPU, everything into the GPU. You're going to see the biggest gains in integrated graphics.
I know that but i don´t care about integrated graphics...
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 16:03 | posts: 2

1- Higher GHz is not the only way to make a processor faster. Haswell is supposed to have improved architecture when compared to ivy bridge.

2- VT-x = virtualization. K unlocked chips always supported virtualization but not the VT-d which is virtualization for directed I/O

3- AMD won't release any replacement to Piledriver in 2013 according to the latest roadmap. So, at least intel is releasing something new.

4- Intel HD4600 is probably based Haswell GT2 which is not the fastest GPU for haswell. The fastest iGPU GT3 chip is going to be used only for some mobile chips. HD4600 will probably perform just slightly faster than HD4000, while the GT3 chip is supposed to be twice as fast HD4000

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Default 12-11-2012, 16:05 | posts: 497

hoping for 10% clock per clock faster than ivy and hitting easily 5ghz on air...then i will upgrade...if that does not happen exactly as i mentioned above then, oh well i will wait for rockwell(broadwell) i will not waste a single euro anymore on pc, because smooth gaming is vanished from every system combo...
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 18:29 | posts: 513 | Location: chicago area

unless the prices are fantastic it looks like ill go with my original plan and just get an 8350 for 90 bucks and get a new haswell laptop to replace my amd turion TL-60 laptop
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 18:31 | posts: 5,666 | Location: Timisoara, Romania

Looks like my faithful core i5 SB@4.6 will last me a long time.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 18:33 | posts: 541

Great chance for amd , then.
Hope, they would give a big jump by steamroller.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 18:36 | posts: 442 | Location: Upstate NY

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Standard virtualization will almost certainly be available, what is disabled is directed I/O (Vt-d) which allows more than one VM to run at same time without significantly hampering performance when they access same hardware at same time. No biggie to most VM users I would think.
Directed I/O is actually for passthrough ability to talk to hardware. For example with VT-d you can "hook up" your high end graphics card directly to a VM rather than using the virtual graphics that you would normally use.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 18:37 | posts: 7,351 | Location: Sunny Scotland

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Looks like my faithful core i5 SB@4.6 will last me a long time.
Indeed if you have Sandy or newer then no biggie, however most members here have been waiting on this sacrificing their games in the process, well here it is folks.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 18:40 | posts: 497

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Looks like my faithful core i5 SB@4.6 will last me a long time.
indeed...the average life limit in terms of enjoyable performance is about 3,4 or even 5 years.

so of course and it will last...


anyone with nehalem (1st gen i7) for example would not need sandy bridge or even ivy bridge if he could calm down his eager for performance edge...

the real upgrade for the 2008's i7 will be 2013's haswell...well almost 5 years
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 18:48 | posts: 222 | Location: Bulgaria

I think i will stick with my 2500k for a while! There will be no significant upgrade soon.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 19:01 | posts: 3,796 | Location: The Netherlands

Looking forward to upgrade from the 1st i7 to the 4th i7

My current 950 still shows it's power, but it's surely aging. I got it since December 2009. It's time for it to retire ^^

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Default 12-11-2012, 19:04 | posts: 3,413 | Location: USA

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Yet again disabling virtualization on the unlocked chips... that's really sucky!
Most people dont even use it let alone know what it really for except for people here.

I never use what it for there for its disabled anyway.

That I5 4670k looks taste but then the i7 4770k looks tasty too, though I not sure HT is really worth it anymore unless they fix what ever issue it had since first gen i7 never say difference with it on or off anyway other then seeing 8 cpu counts and not 4.

Either way 2.6ghz vs 3.8~3.9ghz nice boost and among other gains im sure it would have over a first gen i7.

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Default 12-11-2012, 19:19 | posts: 1,419 | Location: Japan, Soka

Looking forward for overclocking capabilities.

If there no changes from Ivy Bridge on OC side. Sandy Bridge may still stay strong.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 19:22 | posts: 3,997 | Location: Australia

Doesn't look like much of an upgrade for those with i5-2500K's or better, even more so considering the need to purchase a new motherboard. It looks like a better option would be to wait for the socket version of the Broadwell (as Intel claims BGA is only on standard parts), but that again means a new socket. Unfortunately though the socket Broadwell's will probably be the cost equivalent of getting a socket 2011 processor, so lets just hope that AMD pulls something out of the bag.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 19:27 | posts: 5,656 | Location: PA, USA

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So basically we´re looking at a minor refresh because even the clock speeds are equal to the actual CPUs...

The only noteworthy feature seems to be the lower TDPs.

Well , i guess this is what happens when there´s little to no competition.
Well that, and there really is nothing to match the power of what we have right now. Software is so behind the times when it comes to coding and optimization.

I'd personally rather see software to actually take advantage of what we have now, and let they refresh a few series. Let the software catch up, or we will throw money away at upgrading for nothing.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 19:28 | posts: 7,351 | Location: Sunny Scotland

folks, look to the z77

the gigabyte sniper 3
the asus rog
and throw in an ivy, do it now, Crysis3 will be here soon.
   
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Default 12-11-2012, 19:29 | posts: 5,656 | Location: PA, USA

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folks, look to the z77

the gigabyte sniper 3
the asus rog
and throw in an ivy, do it now, Crysis3 will be here soon.
Z68 can still do the job, it does with my i7 3770K just fine. Very little difference between a Z68 Gen3 and Z77.

But to those that don't have Z68...I agree.
   
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