Batman movie massacre - Page 7

Veteran · 07-22-2012, 12:06 | posts: 7,398 | Location: United kingdom

I Just got back from short Holiday/Vacation with the family,its very very sad and disheartening to hear this,what kind of person would want to do such a thing and why ill never understand,R.I.P to all that died and i hope the ones that are injured can pull though.

Very very bad news,so sad im not going to read this thread.

Anfield82 · 07-22-2012, 12:07 | posts: 1,099 | Location: UK

That's insane. Surely you would warn them first? I know I would. I'm pretty sure I'd check where my wife was too..

The one thing I appreciate about living in the UK is that gun crime is very low and I believe that's due to the fact that guns are much harder to come by over here. People are saying if somebody wants to go out and shoot dozens of people it doesn't matter about what laws are in place. Well, I disagree. We have strict laws here, you simply cannot walk into a shop and buy a high powered rifle or pistol. A shotgun or hunting rifle at best.

Also, walking down the street here with a gun concealed or not is going to get armed response on you with a G36 in your face.

Finchwizard

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

Why did we lift the ban on assault weapon again?

Yeah, I'm sure he told the cashier that 100 round drum magazine was for 'hunting' yeah right

and no, I'm sorry this is just wrong:

You can't just as easily kill someone with a rolled up magazine... that's just nonsense...

Even just stabbing someone once with a knife is going to be really hard.. You'd know if you've ever stabbed into a rack of beef...not easy to get that sucker out again... not to mention the person will try to get away from you.. it's going to make a very big mess that will be difficult to conceal.and then they might still live after that! Surgeons have saved people with dozens of stab wounds.

It's proving a point that anything can be used as a weapon.

Screw stabbing.
How many people you recon you could kill by slicing their throat with a razor blade while they bleed out.

If you can't pull your knife out of a rack of beef. You're knives aren't sharp enough.

While Guns certainly makes things easier. A deranged person isn't going to give a crap about what weapons are used.

With how easy it is to make a bomb out of common ingredients, why not start banning the sale of all those chemicals unless you have some sort of license.

It just gets into absolute nonsense the more you try and police things. And avoid dealing with the real problem.

PhazeDelta1 · 07-22-2012, 12:41 | posts: 9,321 | Location: 90° N

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

People who believe they are protecting themselves by keeping a firearm in their house are under a false sense of security. You are more likely to have that weapon used on you by someone breaking into your house than you are likely to have time to retrieve that weapon and use it in any meaningful way.

False sense of security you say? You should go have a word with the guy who broke into my house a couple years ago. I'm told he uses a cain and has a nasty limp when he walks. I'm pretty positive he hasn't broken into any more houses since that night.

Stukov · 07-22-2012, 13:10 | posts: 4,829 | Location: South Dakota

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Originally Posted by Finchwizard

It's proving a point that anything can be used as a weapon.

Screw stabbing.
How many people you recon you could kill by slicing their throat with a razor blade while they bleed out.

If you can't pull your knife out of a rack of beef. You're knives aren't sharp enough.

While Guns certainly makes things easier. A deranged person isn't going to give a crap about what weapons are used.

With how easy it is to make a bomb out of common ingredients, why not start banning the sale of all those chemicals unless you have some sort of license.

It just gets into absolute nonsense the more you try and police things. And avoid dealing with the real problem.

Yeah I agree completely. The people who talk like a 100 round mag is like this super killing machine lacks any knowledge about weapons. 100 round drums are heavy, unwieldy, and often jam. From experience I can tell you using 30 round magazines I can put more accurate shots down range on multiple targets than what I gain from taking the 1 to 1.5 seconds to complete each Iraqi reload.

As it has been pointed out before you can make explosives with house hold chemicals and kill even more people. That doesn't even include what a couple chains, locks, gasoline, and matches would have done to the place.

There is no perfect world in which you can be isolated from the danger of death, there is no defense against madmen. You can ban every weapon or gun you want (and be at the mercy of criminals who get them anyways), there will still be death, murder, and mass killings. The only thing that will change is the weapons used. And as I pointed out, some of the most common every day items are far more lethal.

Chillin · 07-22-2012, 13:17 | posts: 5,884 | Location: Chilling

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

^ Yeah with an armed citizen you would have probably even more casualties.

People who believe they are protecting themselves by keeping a firearm in their house are under a false sense of security. You are more likely to have that weapon used on you by someone breaking into your house than you are likely to have time to retrieve that weapon and use it in any meaningful way.

There are countless stories like this but I remember this one vividly.. it was an elderly NRA member recording of a 911 call from his house... Apparently he saw a shadowy figure in his house and opened fire... turned out to be his wife who he shot in the chest and killed... yeah, guns are really the answer.

That is nonsense.

If I remember correctly, I read a statistic a while back that showed for every illegal use of a gun in the U.S., there were 80 legal uses (self-defense, etc) by private owners.

So we have an 80:1 ration of good users vs. bad users. So even in such a case where a guy knocks off 12 good people, another 80 people can be assumed saved from stabbings, robberies, etc.

k3vst3r · 07-22-2012, 13:55 | posts: 2,403 | Location: Manchester UK

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Originally Posted by Finchwizard

It's proving a point that anything can be used as a weapon.

Screw stabbing.
How many people you recon you could kill by slicing their throat with a razor blade while they bleed out.

If you can't pull your knife out of a rack of beef. You're knives aren't sharp enough.

While Guns certainly makes things easier. A deranged person isn't going to give a crap about what weapons are used.

With how easy it is to make a bomb out of common ingredients, why not start banning the sale of all those chemicals unless you have some sort of license.

It just gets into absolute nonsense the more you try and police things. And avoid dealing with the real problem.

exactly they could easily jump in a car...drive on motorway find fuel tanker driving along plough straight into it at high speed...would be messy especially on very busy highway.

bobdude · *Last edited by bobdude; 07-22-2012 at 14:04.*

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

^ Yeah with an armed citizen you would have probably even more casualties.

People who believe they are protecting themselves by keeping a firearm in their house are under a false sense of security. You are more likely to have that weapon used on you by someone breaking into your house than you are likely to have time to retrieve that weapon and use it in any meaningful way.

There are countless stories like this but I remember this one vividly.. it was an elderly NRA member recording of a 911 call from his house... Apparently he saw a shadowy figure in his house and opened fire... turned out to be his wife who he shot in the chest and killed... yeah, guns are really the answer.

this gun is for you

PhazeDelta1 · 07-22-2012, 14:02 | posts: 9,321 | Location: 90° N

LOL. I've seen it all now.

k3vst3r · 07-22-2012, 14:03 | posts: 2,403 | Location: Manchester UK

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Originally Posted by PhazeDelta1

LOL. I've seen it all now.

it works just hold it backwards

bobdude · 07-22-2012, 14:10 | posts: 1,710 | Location: AZ

yeah the "guns kill" s*** got old years ago like they can magically float around and shoot people

what about someone in a car speeding down a road after finishing a case of beer and slams in to someone our there home??? oh wait its the cars fault we should ban them because there so many drunk driving cars on the road...

Brendruis · *Last edited by Brendruis; 07-22-2012 at 15:24.*

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Originally Posted by bobdude

yeah the "guns kill" s*** got old years ago like they can magically float around and shoot people

what about someone in a car speeding down a road after finishing a case of beer and slams in to someone our there home??? oh wait its the cars fault we should ban them because there so many drunk driving cars on the road...

Um cars are something essentials to our daily lives that we use every day to get to and from work unless you live in a big city.

Unless you live in the wilderness or you are a police officer or a soldier I don't think having a gun is needed for your daily life.. so I have no problem with removing them from the streets.

I'm from Chicago originally where there's a murder like every day...A gun doesn't make you feel safer. Forget all the notions of "fighting back" and vigilantism this is not the movies. The only hope against criminals is sufficient law enforcement.

Spare me the bull**** NRA line "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

A psychopath with a gun is more dangerous than a psychopath with a knife. Simple as that...

..and the argument about explosives is pretty moot.. Most people simply don't know how to make their own home-made bomb or we would see more terrorist attacks than we do for certain... and purchasing a gun at the store and causing your mayhem that way is just EASIER.

bobdude · 07-22-2012, 15:22 | posts: 1,710 | Location: AZ

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

Um cars are something essentials to our daily lives that we use every day to get to and from work unless you live in a big city.

Unless you live in the wilderness or you are a police officer or a soldier I don't think having a gun is needed for your daily life.. so I have no problem with removing them from the streets.

I'm from Chicago originally where there's a murder like every day...and trust me walking around with a gun doesn't make you feel safer. You even reach for that thing and you're liable to get hurt cause those criminals guess what they have guns too!

so its better to be unarmed and get gun down with 0 chance?no thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe6v2TWbkhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blq_a_lqDBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrnr...eature=related

Brendruis · 07-22-2012, 15:26 | posts: 1,242 | Location: Melbourne, FL

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Originally Posted by bobdude

so its better to be unarmed and get gun down with 0 chance?no thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe6v2TWbkhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blq_a_lqDBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrnr...eature=related

Wow I would NEVER risk my life to defend some storefront wtf is that person crazy. I don't care how much money it is, not worth getting shot over. Just take the money and don't shoot that's what I would say.

Foamy4 · 07-22-2012, 15:26 | posts: 453 | Location: Denmark

"Every year just over 30,000 people die in the US from gunshot wounds. Every two years more US citizens are killed by gunshot wounds than were lost in the entire Vietnam war.

Lets look at this another way. With a population of 310 million and an annual death rate of 8.3/1000 , we can calculate that 2,573,000 people die in the US each year.
Of which 30,000 die of Gun Shot - so if you live in the US you have a 1.166% chance that you will die of Gun Shot wound. The rate of gunshot deaths is about 8 times that of economically comparable nations.

Approximately 8,000 homicides annually occur with gunshot wounds. About 16,000 commit suicide with handguns. Nearly 1,000 die in gun related accidents each year. The number of persons shot by police is slightly elusive."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_g...year_in_the_US

harkinsteven · *Last edited by harkinsteven; 07-22-2012 at 18:30.*

Brendruis you honestly think banning guns will remove them from the streets? Only the lawful people will hand in their guns the unlawful people will still have them. So why would you want to remove your only defense against this? Your being fooled by the media.

wootwoot · 07-22-2012, 15:38 | posts: 330 | Location: Ohio, USA

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

Um cars are something essentials to our daily lives that we use every day to get to and from work unless you live in a big city.

Unless you live in the wilderness or you are a police officer or a soldier I don't think having a gun is needed for your daily life.. so I have no problem with removing them from the streets.

You can only remove them from the law abiding whom are not inclined to commit violence. Sounds like a counter-productive plan to me.

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I'm from Chicago originally where there's a murder like every day...A gun doesn't make you feel safer. You even reach for that thing and you're liable to get hurt cause those criminals guess what they have guns too!

Yeah Chicago's gun ban really made people safer. All that gun control really reduced crime.

Chicago and NY sure breed idiotic thinking.

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Forget all the notions of "fighting back" and vigilantism this is not the movies. The only hope against psychopaths and criminals is sufficient law enforcement.

Yet, in the same breath you're discounting self-defense as only being in the movies. What movie or propaganda source did you get that from??? People defend themselves with firearms everyday.

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Spare me the bull**** NRA line "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

Guns make it much easier for people kill other people. By your logic, we should just give all of our prison inmates guns because they already have makeshift knives and the means to kill each other. Hell, they were going to attack each other anyway..we just made it way easier for them... now they can do it way more efficiently that's the difference.

You make no sense.

I'm not a prisoner or a criminal, and I have the right to defense from those who intend to commit violence against myself or loved ones and therefor I am entitled to the ability to possess the means to do so.

Guns make it easier for people to defend themselves too. From the soldier to your grandmother. Everyone should have the option of a fighting chance. No one should be forced to just accept their fate as a victim of violent crime.

harkinsteven · 07-22-2012, 15:44 | posts: 1,522 | Location: Ireland

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Originally Posted by wootwoot

Guns make it easier for people to defend themselves too. From the soldier to your grandmother. Everyone should have the option of a fighting chance. No one should be forced to just accept their fate as a victim of violent crime.

Well said Wootwoot, couldn't agree more.

Spets · 07-22-2012, 15:54 | posts: 1,429

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Originally Posted by wootwoot

You can only remove them from the law abiding whom are not inclined to commit violence. Sounds like a counter-productive plan to me.

Pretty much this. Most gun related crimes are by unregistered guns, the only people that would be restricted are the ones that obey the law.

Stromgold · 07-22-2012, 16:30 | posts: 1,448 | Location: Outer Banks, NC

Dustpuppy · 07-22-2012, 18:27 | posts: 4,142

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Originally Posted by Brendruis

Um cars are something essentials to our daily lives that we use every day to get to and from work unless you live in a big city.

Unless you live in the wilderness or you are a police officer or a soldier I don't think having a gun is needed for your daily life.. so I have no problem with removing them from the streets.

I'm from Chicago originally where there's a murder like every day...A gun doesn't make you feel safer. Forget all the notions of "fighting back" and vigilantism this is not the movies. The only hope against criminals is sufficient law enforcement.

Spare me the bull**** NRA line "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

A psychopath with a gun is more dangerous than a psychopath with a knife. Simple as that...

..and the argument about explosives is pretty moot.. Most people simply don't know how to make their own home-made bomb or we would see more terrorist attacks than we do for certain... and purchasing a gun at the store and causing your mayhem that way is just EASIER.

If your only hope against criminals is sufficient law enforcement then you're putting your hope in pretty pink ponies and pixie dust.

Also click some of the links provided, they show that your claim is an outright lie. Guns have stopped and will continue to stop many criminals.

Brendruis · *Last edited by Brendruis; 07-22-2012 at 19:48.*

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"Every year just over 30,000 people die in the US from gunshot wounds. Every two years more US citizens are killed by gunshot wounds than were lost in the entire Vietnam war.

Lets look at this another way. With a population of 310 million and an annual death rate of 8.3/1000 , we can calculate that 2,573,000 people die in the US each year.
Of which 30,000 die of Gun Shot - so if you live in the US you have a 1.166% chance that you will die of Gun Shot wound. The rate of gunshot deaths is about 8 times that of economically comparable nations.

Approximately 8,000 homicides annually occur with gunshot wounds. About 16,000 commit suicide with handguns. Nearly 1,000 die in gun related accidents each year. The number of persons shot by police is slightly elusive."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_g...year_in_the_US

This guy's post says it all. He's from Denmark.. How many gun murders in Denmark annually? I think you can count them on one hand probably

"In Denmark hand guns are banned unless you are a licensed, and you can only get that license if you compete in in tournaments, and the guns have to be kept in a safe at the club where you practice. In order to get a permit to own a rifle you have to participate in a course that takes 3 months to complete."

Legislation against firearms DOES take guns out of the hands of criminals.. you need only look at the murder statistic for other nations. It doesn't work in the US because of blurred city and state jurisdictions and idiotic American "gun culture"

What good does it do banning handguns in one city when you can just drive over and buy one at the next town?

BigBlockTowncar · 07-22-2012, 19:31 | posts: 1,422 | Location: USA

I guess they made it into his apartment. I am wondering what the booby traps really were.

Were they in fact real explosives that could have destroyed the entire place, or were they maybe used as a diversion.....Bottles of random fluids with wires running to dead batteries, empty propane tanks with timers taped to them. Could it possibly be that there was more to this guy's plan?

Maybe we won't find out what the stuff actually was.

IcE · *Last edited by IcE; 07-22-2012 at 20:12.*

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Originally Posted by Foamy4

"Every year just over 30,000 people die in the US from gunshot wounds. Every two years more US citizens are killed by gunshot wounds than were lost in the entire Vietnam war.

Lets look at this another way. With a population of 310 million and an annual death rate of 8.3/1000 , we can calculate that 2,573,000 people die in the US each year.
Of which 30,000 die of Gun Shot - so if you live in the US you have a 1.166% chance that you will die of Gun Shot wound. The rate of gunshot deaths is about 8 times that of economically comparable nations.

Approximately 8,000 homicides annually occur with gunshot wounds. About 16,000 commit suicide with handguns. Nearly 1,000 die in gun related accidents each year. The number of persons shot by police is slightly elusive."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_g...year_in_the_US

Yeah, no. Stop it. Not even going to touch on the fact that statistic is a made up load of crap.

PhazeDelta1 · 07-22-2012, 19:41 | posts: 9,321 | Location: 90° N

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Originally Posted by BigBlockTowncar

I guess they made it into his apartment. I am wondering what the booby traps really were.

Were they in fact real explosives that could have destroyed the entire place, or were they maybe used as a diversion.....Bottles of random fluids with wires running to dead batteries, empty propane tanks with timers taped to them. Could it possibly be that there was more to this guy's plan?

Maybe we won't find out what the stuff actually was.

Either way, the guy knew he was leaving that theater in handcuffs or a body bag.