Wii U specs leaked. - Page 3

SerotoNiN · 06-25-2012, 18:12 | posts: 636 | Location: Chicago

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Originally Posted by WhiteLightning

what kind of exclusives are you missing ?

i actually missed first party games aswell on the wii. instead of making new games they released the old games as wiiware. buy zelda oot for the 10th time. yeah good on ya nintendo.
i was hoping for a f-zero that never came

jrg's, adventures, etc.

Snes was the pinnacle. Final Fantasy 2 and 3. Illusion of Gaia, y'know, back when Nintendo was more like Sony and had the 3rd parties bringing the big boys to their show.

Now it's Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Zelda, Mario Party Game, Zelda, Metroid Sequel, Resident Evil remake, Zelda, Zelda, Metroid triology, Zelda, one half-assed jrpg exclusive, Zelda...

WhiteLightning · 06-25-2012, 18:27 | posts: 20,608 | Location: Netherlands

well have you tried Xenoblade Chronicles , it seems to be a good game by the looks of it.
The Last Story which will come next month also looks like a great game.
dont know if you own a wii though.

I actually love zelda games, after seeing that demo for wii u , im really looking forward to see what zelda they can come up with this time. (will take years though).

what i really hate are all those party games. tbh i really hate the wii motion controls aswell. im a lazy bum. i want to hang around on my couch in the most laziest position with a controller in my hand.

PinguX · 06-25-2012, 18:41 | posts: 797

The Last Story came out a few months ago, great game btw.

WhiteLightning · 06-25-2012, 18:52 | posts: 20,608 | Location: Netherlands

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Originally Posted by PinguX

The Last Story came out a few months ago, great game btw.

not here yet. 27th of june, thought it was july though lol

gamerk2 · 06-25-2012, 21:26 | posts: 2,065 | Location: Medford, NY

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Originally Posted by SerotoNiN

3.) Games are what matter. And being an old sh*t and having owned an original 8-bit nintendo in the 80's and owning every system since, I can say since n64 they have sorely lost 3rd party support. It only got worse with Gamecube and Wii. Wii was a cheap novelty that wore off quickly to me. My opinion of Nintendo isn't very high these days because, yes, they do have some of the best exclusives, but only from in-house/first party. I miss the days of 3rd party Nintendo exclusives.

The Wii was hampered from the very beginning due to its 4.7GB space limit on its disks. That's half the space of the 360's DVD9 disk. Hence why the Wii almost always got its own, stripped down versions, usually with vastly reduced textures.

Shadowdane · 06-25-2012, 21:29 | posts: 650 | Location: Virginia

No the Wii was hampered by it's limited 480p display output, slower CPU & GPU. Just having more storage space doesn't equal better looking games.

scatman839 · 06-25-2012, 22:15 | posts: 8,828 | Location: Dundee, Scotland

And the Wii can use dual layer discs anyway, so that's more space than the xbox disc after all it's protection

The wii was hampered by being an overclocked gamecube with a little more ram.

SerotoNiN · 06-26-2012, 15:46 | posts: 636 | Location: Chicago

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Originally Posted by gamerk2

The Wii was hampered from the very beginning due to its 4.7GB space limit on its disks. That's half the space of the 360's DVD9 disk. Hence why the Wii almost always got its own, stripped down versions, usually with vastly reduced textures.

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Originally Posted by Shadowdane

No the Wii was hampered by it's limited 480p display output, slower CPU & GPU. Just having more storage space doesn't equal better looking games.

That's the thing. I'm not worried about the excuses as to why it was hampered. It WAS. That's all that matters as a gamer. It sucked. Regardless of why.

Darren Hodgson · 07-06-2012, 08:45 | posts: 10,063 | Location: England

Looking at those leaked specs for the Wii U, it appears that it is just a more advanced Xbox 360: 1 GB usuable RAM vs. 512 MB, 32 MB eDRAM vs. 10 MB (which means the Wii U doesn't have to use tiling when MSAA is in use), etc., etc.

That the Wii U can do 4xMSAA at 720p in one-pass unlike the Xbox 360 (which has to use tiling, which in turn causes a performance hit, or render sub-720p) doesn't mean that developers will use it. Most of the Wii U games have seen footage of have all being aliased at 720p which suggests that the machine may not be that powerful after all, especially as it also has to render to an extra screen on the controller as well.

That said, Nintendo have better quality control than either Sony or Microsoft so I expect most of the first party games will run at 60 fps @ 720p (with none of the upscaled sub-720p crap that made a joke of the Xbox 360's and PS3's supposed HD capabilities) and, I expect, without screen tearing. Basically, I expect the Wii U will offer games on a similar graphical level to the PS3 and Xbox 360, only without their technical 'hiccups' (erratic framerates sub-30 fps framerates, sub-HD rendering, screen tearing, etc.).

Still don't know whether I want one though given how bitterly disappointing the Wii is/was.

scatman839 · 07-06-2012, 12:45 | posts: 8,828 | Location: Dundee, Scotland

1.5gb usable ram.

-Eon- · 07-06-2012, 18:25 | posts: 12 | Location: Houston, TX.USA

[B]No AA. Saw that E3 Wii U Golf skit comerical put it on floor controller to get kick.

Redemption80 · 07-07-2012, 00:04 | posts: 13,541 | Location: Glasgow

Hmmm, wonder if those specs are true, seems unlikely but if true then i would probably get one as this thing would be a beast compared to the last gen consoles.

yelsewshane · 07-07-2012, 22:15 | posts: 1,473

Why don't they just charge more for console and make it good with keyboard and mouse and be able to hook up to a monitor or 1080p tv. Oh wait thats called a computer!!! consoles suck and are for poor people with no income.

Darkest · 07-07-2012, 22:26 | posts: 5,376

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Originally Posted by yelsewshane

Why don't they just charge more for console and make it good with keyboard and mouse and be able to hook up to a monitor or 1080p tv. Oh wait thats called a computer!!! consoles suck and are for poor people with no income.

Ridiculous post. I've owned multiple consoles over the years ontop of maintaining a gaming PC. People who buy consoles do so because there are games on them they find appealing. When I can get every game on the PC I'll happily do so. Until then, as a 'gamer' I will continue to invest in consoles in order to play exclusives I'll never get on the PC. Some of which are damn fine games.

I can do this because I'm not a poor person with low income.

Sprecker · 07-08-2012, 03:08 | posts: 2,431 | Location: Ottawa, Canada

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Originally Posted by yelsewshane

Why don't they just charge more for console and make it good with keyboard and mouse and be able to hook up to a monitor or 1080p tv. Oh wait thats called a computer!!! consoles suck and are for poor people with no income.

Why would you go into the conosle section at all with thinking like this?

Darren Hodgson · 07-08-2012, 10:54 | posts: 10,063 | Location: England

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Originally Posted by scatman839

1.5gb usable ram.

Interesting...

"- Assassin's Creed 3 will run at 60fps at 1080p, compared to [30fps at] 720p on PS3 and Xbox 360."

That would indicate the machine is a step up from the last gen consoles if true and may make it appear less dated when the new consoles from Sony and Microsoft finally ariive. If that is true, obviously. If it is then I doubt it'll be running with any AA at 1080p.

XP-200 · 07-08-2012, 10:55 | posts: 2,386 | Location: UK

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Originally Posted by yelsewshane

Why don't they just charge more for console and make it good with keyboard and mouse and be able to hook up to a monitor or 1080p tv. Oh wait thats called a computer!!! consoles suck and are for poor people with no income.

Yet games for consoles are always more expensive....so that theory does not really hold water now does it.

The Chubu · *Last edited by The Chubu; 07-09-2012 at 06:31.*

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Graphics and Video
Modern unified shader architecture.
32MB high-bandwidth eDRAM, supports 720p 4x MSAA or 1080p rendering in a single pass.
HDMI and component video outputs.

Daym. They'll enter the Xbox design side by the big door.

Whereas in the 360, devs had to tile each frame to make it fit in the 10Mb eDRAM (and still was very high performance given the massive bandwidth it had) with 32Mb they can get one or two 1080p frames in one go.

This design was crucial for xbox devs since it allowed them to get high IQ at almost no cost compared to the PS3, in which they had to lower/remove AA and use a smaller resolution to get the same performance.

And if Nintendo uses a POWER7 CPU (4 logical threads per core!!! 6 to 8 cores per chip!!! ), it will be not only a significant jump from previous generation consoles, but will also rival some desktops too.

I'm eager to see HD Mario for a change

Of course, this will not mean a thing unless Nintendo gets the third parties to develop awesome games for it...

gamerk2 · 07-09-2012, 21:11 | posts: 2,065 | Location: Medford, NY

^^ Not really. Logical cores aren't the most efficient after all. To me, I see a slight bump in performance over what is already offered, thats about it. The benefits of the extra RAM are grossly overstated, and the CPU that is roumered to be used isn't a huge leap over what already exists. Its a step up, but not a generational leap.

Obsolete on arrival.

The Chubu · 07-09-2012, 23:06 | posts: 2,541 | Location: Look out!

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Originally Posted by gamerk2

^^ Not really. Logical cores aren't the most efficient after all.

You cant outright say that, it depends on the implementation. And i hear IBM's SMT is a fair bit more advanced than Intel's HT.

Besides any POWER7 CPU data points to 200+ GFlops, which is more than double of most of current high end CPUs.

But of course, if Nintendo opts for lower end configurations (4 cores instead of 8, 3Ghz instead of 4Ghz or even lower), then we may see half of that performance. In which case yes, it wouldn't be much of an upgrade and definitively not a big impact like 360/PS3 had when they were launched.

gamerk2 · 07-16-2012, 13:09 | posts: 2,065 | Location: Medford, NY

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Originally Posted by The Chubu

You cant outright say that, it depends on the implementation. And i hear IBM's SMT is a fair bit more advanced than Intel's HT.

Sure, HTT is VERY weak, but its also cheap to implement. AMD's CMT is "better" (about 80% a normal core), but more expensive to implement. Still, all forms of SMT will struggle on SOME CPU workloads.

gamerk2 · 07-16-2012, 13:10 | posts: 2,065 | Location: Medford, NY

And in other news:

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/nintendo...ews-15859.html

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Katsuhiro Harada, producer at Namco Bandai and project leader for Tekken Tag Tournament 2, said that the new game needs some "creative ways" to cope with a processor that may not be up to par with the competition. Harada told Digital Spy that the Wii U processor clock speed is "kinda low" and that this circumstance requires some extra effort to make the game work as expected. He noted that the clock speed may be "a little bit" lower than that of the Xbox 360 or PS3.

gamerk2 · 07-17-2012, 15:47 | posts: 2,065 | Location: Medford, NY

Take this one for what its worth:

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27...to-activision?

])rStrangelove · 07-18-2012, 05:51 | posts: 2,969 | Location: Northcoast of Germany

Does it really matter if the WiiU has 50 or 60fps at 1080p? Last time i checked a console's value for a true gamer should be measured what games are available and their funfactor.

That and if the games can find a good use for the new controller.

Turdhat · 07-20-2012, 18:56 | posts: 174 | Location: Louisville

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Originally Posted by yelsewshane

Why don't they just charge more for console and make it good with keyboard and mouse and be able to hook up to a monitor or 1080p tv. Oh wait thats called a computer!!! consoles suck and are for poor people with no income.

You sir are a s-h-i-t-cake. What a shortsighted and ignorant comment. I own all of the consoles so I must be really poor.