Smooth Video Project - Frame Interpolation

[Chillin]

OK, I had to make a new thread just for this.

This program is the real deal, for the first time I was able to watch a 10mb+ bitrate Star Wars (HD) with full interpolation matching my screen frame rate (75hz) with ZERO artifacts, it's mind blowing.

Just download their large installer package which already pre-configures all the settings for you in the respective media players and decoders, then just up the settings according to your PC speed.

Perfectly smooth video awaits:
http://www.svp-team.com/

Trust me, I tried the scripts in the previous thread and players like Splash Pro but the artifacts and lack of "pure-smooth" ( ) always turned me off.

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Here is an alternative setup guide and tips courtesy of "Prophet":

1.) Download and install Svp full from http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Download

2.) Download and install Potplayer from http://www.dvbsupport.net/download/i...category&id=16
Get 1.5.33573 (Full version).

Svp stands for Smooth Video Playback. It allows you to view 24fps (the default since the 1920´s or so) movies @ 48 fps (my recommendation).

Potplayer is the best movieplayer out there at this moment, bar none. (Imnho)

3.) Follow http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Daum_PotPlayer_with_DXVA for basic stuff with potplayer.


4.) Maken1 has create a nice guide to set this up. You can check it at http://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=284. I suggest you go for 'Quality'. If you have a
somewhat recent system.

Here are the steps I take from that guide:


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1- Launch PotPlayer, go to " PREFERENCES " ( F5 ), in " PREFERENCES " change " Built-in DXVA Decoder " to " Built-in Self DXVA Decoder " , there in General > General Settings > Tray Icon change to " Show with taskbar " and Click OK.
http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/z/2/5/...7gesy96l_t.jpg http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/x/u/4/...f7qzxyb8_t.jpg
2- Playback any FullHD 1080p or 720p video or movie you have for a moment and make sure to see how much performance and low cpu usage you have. It can be any Clip from Trailers or Movies in mkv or any AVCHD, etc. Note: Remember you need a VIDEO CARD that supports DXVA for DXVA to work. Google: DXVAChecker if you are unsure.
3- Go to Preferences ( F5 ) > Filter Control > Built-in Video processing filter > Condition change to " Disable ". Also make sure that " Use Audio processing filters " is enabled. Press " APPLY ".
4- Go to Preferences ( F5 ) > Subtitle and Disable " Show subtitles" . I prefer FFDSHOW to handle subtitles but this is up to you, this is my recommendation.
5- Go to Preferences ( F5 ) > Filter Control > Custom Filter Manager > Add Registered Filter > add " ffdshow raw video filter " then Click OK, it will be added in the list of " Custom Filter Manager " . There in " Custom Filter Manager " , select the " ffdshow raw video filter " then go to " Priority " set it to " PREFER " http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/5/c/i/...m4slu0x4_t.jpg, Click " APPLY ".
While you are still there, in " Custom Filter Manager " , select " ffdshow raw video filter " and double click on it, now do only what is shown in these images:
http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/7/6/i/...egcr89bc_t.jpg http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/k/d/h/...vlvbr7vx_t.jpg OK on " ffdshow raw video filter " and Click OK in " PotPlayer " .

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These options are for Quality, and require that you have a mid-range system, a fairly good Video Card, a Quad Core or Dual Core CPU, (better than a Core 2 Duo E8500), Sound Card if you want, you should also have a digital/optical/SPDIF card, capable of sending at least an AC-3 signal to your receiver. I personally recommend you use a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1 USB, which I will be using in this guide. For this example I will be using a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250, so all settings here will be more for NVIDIA users. Attention ATI users, I will add instructions for you later, hopefully it will be better for you ATI users. At the moment I don't have an ATI video card to test with.I will use for example NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 so all settings here will be more for NVIDIA users and for ATI i will tell in other part what could be better for ATI users. I dont have ATI video card here to test better sad .

1- Follow all the steps from the " Performance / Normal Quality " section from step 1 to step 5.
2- Now lets configure madVR, Lav Filters and Sound for Quality ( users like me always prefer the best quality video and audio ).

Configuring madVR for Quality

-Go to Preferences ( F5 ) > Video > Video Renderer > Video renderer change to " Madshi Video Renderer " then Click " APPLY ".
-Play any file, then pause it, go to the task bar, where the sound, network icons, etc are, and right click on the madVR tray icon, and left click on " Edit madVR Settings " and only change what is shown in the following images:
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OK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART " If your video card is a Nvidia GeForce 400 series/AMD ATI equivalent or better " then do this:
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Please take this into consideration:
-The CHROMA UPSCALING 'sharpness' or 'steps' setting can't be less than Luma Upscaling, and Luma Downscaling , this is my recommendation.
-The more Sharpness or Steps you use, the more Quality you get, BUT, MORE GPU CYCLES WILL BE USED, so make sure that your GPU is powerful enough to handle those high settings when combined with SVP. I recommend that you start with the values on the images at first, and later you can try more. Remember those higher settings will cost you more GPU performance.
-Scale in linear light on Luma Upscaling and Luma Downscaling will cost you a lot of GPU Performance so these settings are for powerful GPUS only.

Configuring Lav Filter for Quality

-Go to Preferences ( F5 ) > Filter Control > Video Decoder > click on Filter management > Add registered filter and add these filters: Lav Video Decoder, Lav Audio Decoder, Lav Splitter Source and WMVideo Decoder DMO.
http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/j/b/5/...fe0vh7e1_t.jpg ----> Now do this http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/i/4/r/...y2dmvxo3_t.jpg ---> http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/8/2/z/...rod794q8_t.jpg ---> http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/d/7/w/...9nxwq3ag_t.jpg This part is very important, if you have one of the recommended Nvidia Geforce Video Cards, use NVIDIA CUVID (This setting is supported on GTS 250 and better ). If you have an AMD ATI Video card compatible with DXVA2 then use DXVA2 ( copy-back ).
-Go to Preferences ( F5 ) > Filter Control > Source/Splitter and do this: http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/v/y/7/...ulhsn6st_t.jpg http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/r/x/h/...fu908ggg_t.jpg http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/r/y/g/...r52092p6_t.jpg

Configuring Sound for Quality

-Go to Preferences ( F5 ) > Audio --> http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/i/1/2/...iws64owd_t.jpg

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After you have gotten this all to work rightclick on the svp tray icon. Choose videoprofile and the one you are using (should correspond to your sreen res unless you changed something). Then under "Artifacts masking" choose "Strongest". Also I recommend choosing no more than 'Douple source frame rate (2x) under 'Target frame rate'.


If you get artifacts anyway you can disable svp and still get better quality than you would from anything else (that I know of).


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How to configure your monitor/TV for best quality:

Go to http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm. Find your monitor. Use the settings described for your monitor there. Download your icc profile.

Go to http://neosmart.net/blog/2007/window...mma-table-bug/. Search for Displayprofile on this page (ctrl^f - type Displayprofile).

Put your icc profile(s?) in the same dir as you uncap displayprofile. Doubleclick on the icc profiles so they get added to windows. Open the program displayprofile. Choose whichever profile you like the best.


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I have created a little batchfile to start Potplayer and Svp at the same time with just one keypress (im lazy and like to learn stuff):


@echo off
cd "C:\Program Files (x86)\Daum\PotPlayer"
start /HIGH PotPlayerMini.exe
cd "C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP"
start /HIGH SVPMgr.exe
exit

Put that in a text file and save it as something.bat.

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If you like me watch mostly on a hdmi connection, heres a good way to get full RGB instead of nvidias default YCBCR.

"Go to Change Resolution>Add Resolutions...>Create Custom Resolution> Set the width and height of the resolution that you want to apply (1920x1080 32bit 60hz progressive) and click the dropdown menu that says AUTOMATIC and change it to MANUAL.

Now manually bump up the refresh rate .001 to 60.001Hz. It is a small increment, but my HDMI receiver and TV recognize it differently than 60.000Hz and it still lets it through because .001 difference will not harm the signal."


Op is @ http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=360587 full credits go there.

A little bit further down you can see a tip on how to edit inf in order to achieve full RGB. This is how I did it. Attaching my edited inf that work with the 269.70 drivers. You can download it at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...QgEznoj_o/edit. Copy the information into notepad and save it as \Nvidia\296.70\WinVista_Win7_64\International\Disp lay.Driver\nv_disp.inf.

If you are wondering what this will do it will let you get real black not the washed out version with YCBCR.

[N0sferatU]

looks groovy! I noticed some of my 1080p MKV files it'll resize to 1/4 of the screen for some oddball reason.

I'll use this for my laptop as my TVs already do frame interpolation for me.

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by N0sferatU

looks groovy! I noticed some of my 1080p MKV files it'll resize to 1/4 of the screen for some oddball reason.

I'll use this for my laptop as my TVs already do frame interpolation for me.

There is a setting in there for changing frame size, adjust it to suit your needs (double click the SVP manager).

[Mr.Joe]

Agreed. This is THE ****!!

[Mufflore]

Wow, thanks for posting.
I've been using frame interpolation for a long time with a custom script to optimise quality and smoothness vs cpu use.
This is better in both regards, it uses CPU and GPU effectively.

Something that foxed me for a while, be sure to run the Smooth Video Manager before you open a video.
The default install option (for me) was to not run this on startup, so I run it manually.

[DerSchniffles]

I tried it and it dosent work...at all. the mpc it came with crashes when trying to play anything other than .avi and when i use mpc x64 it dosent use SVP at all. Mabey im doing something horribly wrong haha.

Also, is there anyway to push this so I can use it on my media box that streams from my computer?

[Mufflore]

Uninstall all programs this uses and remove their configs/data when prompted.
Install again, reboot, run the manager before playing a video and see if it improves.

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by DerSchniffles

I tried it and it dosent work...at all. the mpc it came with crashes when trying to play anything other than .avi and when i use mpc x64 it dosent use SVP at all. Mabey im doing something horribly wrong haha.

Also, is there anyway to push this so I can use it on my media box that streams from my computer?

This program is entirely reliant on the 32-bit decoders and software.

Like Mufflore said, uninstall everything (MPC-HC, LAV, etc), the reinstall using their large installer (27mb) which already preconfigures the options for you and try it again.

As to your second question, I have no idea.

[Chillin]

New version out, fixed a lot of bugs and updated all the software (MPC-HC, etc).

[Zehtuka]

Seems to work great, thanks for the link.

[Zach_]

Anyone else experiencing high CPU usage with SVP enabled? I just installed it and granted it works phenomenally, smoothest MKv playback I've ever seen, just flawless!

However, my new i5 2500K seems to reach about 50% usage when playing MKV files with SVP, I'm not sure if that's normal since GPU acceleration is being used?

What are your experiences with it? Thanks

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by Zach_

Anyone else experiencing high CPU usage with SVP enabled? I just installed it and granted it works phenomenally, smoothest MKv playback I've ever seen, just flawless!

However, my new i5 2500K seems to reach about 50% usage when playing MKV files with SVP, I'm not sure if that's normal since GPU acceleration is being used?

What are your experiences with it? Thanks

That's fine, don't worry.

Remember that the program is creating many new frames so a large load is expected. Now you can finally enjoy the fact that you shelled out so much for the CPU and GPU.



Feel free to fool around with the settings (explanations of each setting is on their [SVP] forums) to best fit your system.

And just to double check, download the MSI Afterburner utility and check GPU usage during video playback to see if it's being used as well.

EDIT:
Just read about your profile trouble. If you want to add a custom profile just right click on the SVP manager icon in the taskbar while the video is playing and add.

[Zach_]

I gotta admit, you're right, we invest our money in top hardware and we're always looking for it to consume as little usage as possible hehe, if the CPU works then I'm happy

However, I just checked with GPU-Z and the GPU load shows 0% whereas the CPU reaches almost 70%... I do see that the GPU clock speeds are raised so it means its working, but I hardly see any load.

What do you think?

EDIT

Scratch that, I tried to disable the GPU acceleration and the image immediately became choppy and framey, the GPU is definitely working... Just to reassure myself, an i5 2500K reaching nearly 70% usage when playing an MKV file, are you sure it's normal?

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by Zach_

I gotta admit, you're right, we invest our money in top hardware and we're always looking for it to consume as little usage as possible hehe, if the CPU works then I'm happy

However, I just checked with GPU-Z and the GPU load shows 0% whereas the CPU reaches almost 70%... I do see that the GPU clock speeds are raised so it means its working, but I hardly see any load.

What do you think?

EDIT

Scratch that, I tried to disable the GPU acceleration and the image immediately became choppy and framey, the GPU is definitely working... Just to reassure myself, an i5 2500K reaching nearly 70% usage when playing an MKV file, are you sure it's normal?

If it's a high-bitrate and large resolution file (you can check by right clicking on the video screen and click "properties" and then "mediainfo" to see the bitrate) then yes.

The highest bitrate I have this second on my PC is 10.8mbps and it gives me ~40% CPU usage; keep in mind that my CPU is also O/C.

EDIT:

I just download a "Big Buck Bunny" sample clip at 70mbps (!), I get around ~50%-60% CPU usage and ~25% GPU usage.

[Chillin]

Do me a favor, check what filters and decoders you have running.

To do this, open any (preferably HD) movie, right click on the video screen and hover the mouse over "Filters".

Here's what should be running:
-Default directsound device
-MadVR renderer
-FFDShow RAW video
-MPC audio decoder
-LAV video decoder
-HAALI media source

In FFDShow RAW, go to "properties". Then go to "RGB conversion", make sure "Input levels" are "auto" and "output levels" are "computer monitor" (if you are using an LCD or Plasma screen) or "TV/Projector" (for CRT, etc).

In "MPC Audio decoder", select the number of speakers you have. An example would be 5.1, you would select "3+2" and "LFE".

In "LAV", you need to select the following:
-"Hardware Acceleration" to "DVXA2 (native)" with all codecs selected.
-In "software deinterlacing" select output "50p/60p".
-In "RGB output levels" select what we talked about before.
-The rest leave at auto or as they are.

In filter "MadVR", edit settings, go to "devices" and select the appropriate "device type". Then go to "rendering" and "general settings", check the boxes "use a separate device for presentation" and "use D3D11 for presentation", that all you should need.

That should be all you need to change to get started.

[Zach_]

Here's what I have running: http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg233...ng&res=landing

Don't pay attention to the image quality, I used remote control with Team Viewer to take the screenshot since I'm at work, of course that's not the quality

Tested with Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol 1080p

Seems like I'm missing MadVR and I have EVR running, is that alright?

Thank you for these settings, I'll make sure to get home and set up everything just like you said.

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by Zach_

Here's what I have running: http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg233...ng&res=landing

Don't pay attention to the image quality, I used remote control with Team Viewer to take the screenshot since I'm at work, of course that's not the quality

Tested with Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol 1080p

Seems like I'm missing MadVR and I have EVR running, is that alright?

Thank you for these settings, I'll make sure to get home and set up everything just like you said.

MadVR offers (subjectively) better image quality and you have the hardware to handle it, might as well use it . It also uses a lot of the GPU to do its work.

[Zach_]

Ok, I downloaded MadVR and configured MPCHC to use it, however, after I did that, suddenly FFDshow disappeared from the filters list?

My CPU usage indeed drop after applying the settings you suggested, but so did the image quality and smoothness, I'm not sure exactly what caused it, but it was better before :/

Maybe its because I made all changes while playing a movie?

To be honest I was really happy with the image quality and smoothness of the playback after installing SVP without any changes.

What about installing SVP and using KMPlayer to play HD files with external filters? Will it work like SVP works in MPCHC?

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by Zach_

Ok, I downloaded MadVR and configured MPCHC to use it, however, after I did that, suddenly FFDshow disappeared from the filters list?

My CPU usage indeed drop after applying the settings you suggested, but so did the image quality and smoothness, I'm not sure exactly what caused it, but it was better before :/

Maybe its because I made all changes while playing a movie?

To be honest I was really happy with the image quality and smoothness of the playback after installing SVP without any changes.

What about installing SVP and using KMPlayer to play HD files with external filters? Will it work like SVP works in MPCHC?

I'm not sure about KMPlayer but you can ask on their [SVP] forums.

The MadVR is already included with SVP. I suggest just uninstalling everything and then reinstalling it again.

Remember, check all the boxes on the SVP installation list options during the install.

[Zach_]

Oh ok that was probably the part I missed, I'll give it another go and update

Thanks

[killer_939]

It's smoothness is nice for most filmed/cg stuff but even after following its guide for anime it is distorting almost everything.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6420/42641919.jpg

[Chillin]

Originally Posted by killer_939

It's smoothness is nice for most filmed/cg stuff but even after following its guide for anime it is distorting almost everything.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6420/42641919.jpg

Try and fool around with the "search radius", "wide search" and "motion vectors grid settings" and see if anything change.

Remember, you can set up several presets. e.g., - One for anime, one for 720p, one for 1080p, etc.

[p0ppa]

Originally Posted by Chillin

OK, I had to make a new thread just for this.

This program is the real deal, for the first time I was able to watch a 10mb+ bitrate Star Wars (HD) with full interpolation matching my screen frame rate (75hz) with ZERO artifacts, it's mind blowing.

Just download their large installer package which already pre-configures all the settings for you in the respective media players and decoders, then just up the settings according to your PC speed.

Perfectly smooth video awaits:
http://www.svp-team.com/

Trust me, I tried the scripts in the previous thread and players like Splash Pro but the artifacts and lack of "pure-smooth" ( ) always turned me off.

Thanks for the information. does that program run at startup or starts when a video player is opened? also, any startup background services/process?

[N0sferatU]

Originally Posted by p0ppa

Thanks for the information. does that program run at startup or starts when a video player is opened? also, any startup background services/process?

it sits in the system tray and auto-loads with media player classic when you open a file with it. I have it on my bedroom HTPC (which has an older non-120Hz TV vs. my living room) so this comes to an advantage to give that "smoothness" on my older TV. Runs through XBMC like a charm.

I just don't use this on my living room HTPC as my other equipment does this for me already.

[S3nt3nc3]

When using this i have an odd feeling that I'm watching some grade b/c movies.
I guess my mind is used to sub 25 fps. The only movie that felt "normal" was Avatar.