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AMD Preparing Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition.
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Default AMD Preparing Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition. - 05-05-2012, 19:19 | posts: 3,839 | Location: The Netherlands

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According to AtomicMPC, AMD will release a new GHz variant of their flagship model Radeon HD 7970.

The Radeon HD 7970 has a reference clock of 925 MHz, but most of the cards are easily overclockable to at least 1100 MHz. Itís already known what a clock of 1050 MHz makes this card already faster than GeForce GTX 680 2GB, and thatís the whole point of this new version.

AtomicPC asked AMD, why did they wait with GHz Edition in the first place. They claimed that actual yields are now better and require lower voltage to sustain 925 MHz core clock. The newest chips can be overclocked up to 1250 MHz, so this can bring the crown of performance back to AMD for at least some time.
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The actual overclocking (not performance) ranking would look like this (roughly estimated by hwbot and multiple reviews):

1.AMD Radeon HD 7970 6GB (up to 1300 MHz Sapphire Toxic 6GB)
2.AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB GHz Edition (around 1250 MHz)
3.AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB (around 1200 MHz)
4.NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2GB (around 1180 MHz)
5.NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 4GB (around 1150 MHz)
   
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Default 05-05-2012, 19:30 | posts: 15,081 | Location: Glasgow

Sounds good, providing they price it at the 7970's existing price as that would be good for AMD and Nvidia fans.

Just hoping this isn't going to be tit for tat as yields get better, and we end up waiting ages for a proper refreshes, but instead get slightly higher clocked cards ever few months.
   
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Default 05-05-2012, 20:23 | posts: 204 | Location: Quebec, Canada

So i guess this card will be now top of line to compete with 680, the normal 7970 might hopefully be reduced in price to compete with 670 and hopefully the 7950 might be reduced to a more affordable price to compete with whatever nvidia will bring to the table in the price range.

I really hope it's where AMD is going cause at sub 400$ (let's say 375$) the oc edition of the 7950 with a custom cooler would then become really interesting.

I'm a little bit surprised at nVidia stategy. The rumors talked about a 670 and a 670ti. I expected the 670 to compete with the 7950 in price and perf anf the 670ti with the 7970.

If i am to believe the preview posted here looks like the 670 compete with the 7970 instead which doesn't make any sens to me cause the 7970 at high res is not that far from a 680. This leave no room for a 670ti at all and force AMD to reduce the price of their cards which leaves nVidia with nothing to compete in the sub 400$ price range right now.

I expected the 670 to be a little bit less expensive to fight the 7950/oced7870 and then the 670ti to destroy the 7970 with lowre price and equal perf.

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Default 05-05-2012, 21:12 | posts: 16,735 | Location: US East Coast

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Sounds good, providing they price it at the 7970's existing price as that would be good for AMD and Nvidia fans.

Just hoping this isn't going to be tit for tat as yields get better, and we end up waiting ages for a proper refreshes, but instead get slightly higher clocked cards ever few months.
If the rumor of GTX660 being 5-6 months away is true, we'll definitely be waiting longer for refreshes from nVidia...at least for mid-range refreshes anyway.

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So i guess this card will be now top of line to compete with 680, the normal 7970 might hopefully be reduced in price to compete with 670 and hopefully the 7950 might be reduced to a more affordable price to compete with whatever nvidia will bring to the table in the price range.

I really hope it's where AMD is going cause at sub 400$ (let's say 375$) the oc edition of the 7950 with a custom cooler would then become really interesting.

I'm a little bit surprised at nVidia stategy. The rumors talked about a 670 and a 670ti. I expected the 670 to compete with the 7950 in price and perf anf the 670ti with the 7970.

If i am to believe the preview posted here looks like the 670 compete with the 7970 instead which doesn't make any sens to me cause the 7970 at high res is not that far from a 680. This leave no room for a 670ti at all and force AMD to reduce the price of their cards which leaves nVidia with nothing to compete in the sub 400$ price range right now.

I expected the 670 to be a little bit less expensive to fight the 7950/oced7870 and then the 670ti to destroy the 7970 with lowre price and equal perf.
GTX670Ti was a rumor to start with. It was never confirmed.

People need to stop accepting rumors as facts..... Seems most of the "rumors" have been debunked so far anyway.


   
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Default 05-05-2012, 21:21 | posts: 18,923 | Location: New Jersey, USA

there is no real need for a ti as the 670 is very close to 680 performance for less money. ti is just a rumor treat it as such.
   
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Default 05-05-2012, 21:30 | posts: 16,735 | Location: US East Coast

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there is no real need for a ti as the 670 is very close to 680 performance for less money. ti is just a rumor treat it as such.
C'mon now....you know people can't treat rumors as that. If it makes nVidia sound better, whether it's verified or not, it's immediately accepted as fact. You know, like the claims that 680 is only a mid-range card....oh yeah, and the previous rumors that GTX670 would be 40% faster than 7970....


   
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Default 05-05-2012, 21:40 | posts: 3,379 | Location: United Kingdom

Hopefully we see these low volt, high clocking chips in the 7990 if they want to compete with the 690.
   
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Default 05-05-2012, 21:48 | posts: 204 | Location: Quebec, Canada

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there is no real need for a ti as the 670 is very close to 680 performance for less money. ti is just a rumor treat it as such.
Yeah i agree if the preview is true (let's not jump on conclusion here cause their power graph are laughable at best) the 670ti will never see the light of the day.

But then i still don't understand why make a card so close to the 680 for far less money ? Doesn't make any sense to me. It's as bad as the 7950 which was and imo still is too expensive and close to the 7970.

I can buy a oced 7950 with the windforce cooler right now for 410$ CAD. This card will perform near as good as a stock 7970 and 670 for the same price as the stock 670 (the oced 7950 is also coming with 3 un-insteresting free games).

I really expected the 670 to be like 375$ to put pressure on AMD to reduce the price of the 7950 and 7870.

I'm really puzzled at AMD and nVidia strategy right now. All cards perform really close to each others and are all 400$ and more. There's no real good buys in the mid range market save for the oced 7870 at 360$ CAD (all other lesser cards are not an upgrade from previous gen). I mean where's the mid range cards ???

I just bought a new TV and i like using my old 1080p 32" TV for gaming (the TV as a PC input). For the most part my card does the job at 1080p but for some games likr BF 3 it's a little rough. I would like to upgrade but 400$ it's a little bit too much.

I wanted to go with the 670 but now this 7870 hawk by MSI looks like a winner if the price is close to 360$ (the price of the oced 7870 Winforce GB model).

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Default 05-05-2012, 21:53 | posts: 1,776

6 gb on one gpu=pointless, now in quad x-fire mode with 2560X1600 res,incredibly insane aa settings and texture mods,shadows,etc, I dont think you would not even come close to 6gb.

maybe couple of 2560X1600 res in muli-monitor gaming format.

but if your getting this card just to 1 gpu, get the lesser vram variant unless your going what I mentioned above.
   
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That avatar is freaking me out.
   
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Default 05-05-2012, 23:39 | posts: 2,881 | Location: Evans Ga,USA

There will be a GTX 660 Ti....At least thats what I read somewhere

EDIT: Ok I admit it!!!...I wrote it down...Then I read it...

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There will be a GTX 660 Ti....At least thats what I read somewhere

EDIT: Ok I admit it!!!...I wrote it down...Then I read it...
Until it's released....it too should be considered a rumor. nVidia should drop the "Ti" crap altogether.


   
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Default 05-06-2012, 05:29 | posts: 2,881 | Location: Evans Ga,USA

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nVidia should drop the "Ti" crap altogether.
Not^....Ti=Overclocked Card......Sales....
   
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Default 05-06-2012, 06:46 | posts: 533 | Location: USA

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Itís already known what a clock of 1050 MHz makes this card already faster than GeForce GTX 680 2GB
Crap like this pisses me off, because the 7970 is the only card that can overclock right? Pretty much lost all credibility right there as far as I'm concerned. I mean who would have thunk that OCing a card to exceed the clock speed of a different card (when both cards are already pretty close) would make it perform better...That's kind of the whole point in the exercise isn't it? Ugh.
   
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Default 05-06-2012, 07:29 | posts: 2,137

680 reference review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/1

7970 oc @ 1125 review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...rclock-guide/1

The 680 still comes out on top in most games, don't know how their 1050mhz oc comes out faster..
   
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Default 05-06-2012, 10:01 | posts: 11,415 | Location: England

Just a quick reminder that this thread is about a rumoured release not an AMD v NVIDIA pissing contest. Just sayin!
   
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Not^....Ti=Overclocked Card......Sales....
Ti suffix = causes confusion among casual users.

Ti doesn't mean OC'd card either. GTX560Ti had different specs from GTX560.


   
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Default 05-06-2012, 16:36 | posts: 2,881 | Location: Evans Ga,USA

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Ti suffix = causes confusion among casual users.

Ti doesn't mean OC'd card either. GTX560Ti had different specs from GTX560.

Oops My Bad...Ti=something Better
   
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in case of the 560 that was basically an oc 460. a 560 ti has more shaders than a plain 560, a 560ti 448 is basically a 470 with even more shaders.
   
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Oops My Bad...Ti=something Better
Or, non-Ti = gimped card = actually a lower card


   
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680 reference review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/1

7970 oc @ 1125 review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...rclock-guide/1

The 680 still comes out on top in most games, don't know how their 1050mhz oc comes out faster..
Looks that way, but the 7970 seems to scale better when overclocking

680
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...80-DirectCU-II
7970
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7970-Lightning
   
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Default 05-07-2012, 03:14 | posts: 217 | Location: Canada

When launching 7970, AMD was unsure how Kepler would perform. Keeping that in mind they did not go all out keeping the clocks a bit conservative.

Now that 680 outperforms 7970 in most games/benchmarks handsomely depending on the resolution, they are looking to squeeze every bit of performance out of it in order to better compete with 680. I doubt there will only be a clock increase (2304 shaders anyone?). However, this is all speculation at this point, until confirmed. Also, I wonder what happens to the power consumption since 680 is already more power efficient.

This leaves us with 7950. Now since it is very close to 7870 with regards to performance, AMD would be looking to increase this gap and might give it a "GHz Treatment" as well.

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