Lucid Virtu MVP testing ... - Page 3

sykozis · 04-21-2012, 18:20 | posts: 13,488 | Location: US East Coast

I've finally had the opportunity to play with Virtu MVP. Quite frankly, I'm not impressed. WoW won't even load with Virtu enabled, however I can load WoW and enable Virtu afterwards with no issue.

Outside of benchmarks, I see no real performance gain....however, the framerate drops in WoW don't have near the impact with Virtu enabled as they do with Virtu disabled. The game is much more fluid with Virtu enabled, even without any FPS gains.

vulture_g7 · 04-26-2012, 18:49 | posts: 5

Thx! Got the hint now and it works

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Originally Posted by Adi

I gave the tips on this page to allow people to get a full version of the Lucid MVP.

And if you get stuck with BF3.exe when you load it you simply need to reload computer with Lucid MVP turned ON on all functions.

It worked for me when that happened.

krpetrov · 04-27-2012, 19:50 | posts: 178 | Location: Bulgaria

It does not work for me! What exactly did you do?

Anarion · 04-27-2012, 20:09 | posts: 9,146 | Location: Finland

It looks like I'm not going to test it out. Manual says that it is not recommended for systems that have RAID. Go figure...

automaticman · 04-28-2012, 05:49 | posts: 662 | Location: Orange County, CA

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Originally Posted by sykozis

I've finally had the opportunity to play with Virtu MVP. Quite frankly, I'm not impressed. WoW won't even load with Virtu enabled, however I can load WoW and enable Virtu afterwards with no issue.

Outside of benchmarks, I see no real performance gain....however, the framerate drops in WoW don't have near the impact with Virtu enabled as they do with Virtu disabled. The game is much more fluid with Virtu enabled, even without any FPS gains.

but... Virtu MVP isn't intended to do anything about improving performance. It's designed to minimize frame rate drops associated with vsync and also reduce input lag. So, from your description, it sounds like it's working.

automaticman · 04-28-2012, 05:51 | posts: 662 | Location: Orange County, CA

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Originally Posted by Anarion

It looks like I'm not going to test it out. Manual says that it is not recommended for systems that have RAID. Go figure...

Really? I wonder if they count Intel SRT as Raid.

krpetrov · 04-28-2012, 14:12 | posts: 178 | Location: Bulgaria

What do you do to extend trial period ?

vulture_g7 · 04-28-2012, 20:34 | posts: 5

As mentioned previously: the file gpuenumerator.dll of the original virtu is the key ;-)

slickric21 · 04-28-2012, 21:42 | posts: 1,680 | Location: U.K

Little bit late to this party,

So does these new features Hyperformance/vsync work with Sandybridge & Z68 then ??

I thought it was just the Z77 and Ivy ??

krpetrov · 04-29-2012, 17:08 | posts: 178 | Location: Bulgaria

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Originally Posted by vulture_g7

As mentioned previously: the file gpuenumerator.dll of the original virtu is the key ;-)

I replace mine with the old gpuenumerator.dll, but still it is expired!

sykozis · *Last edited by sykozis; 04-29-2012 at 18:03.*

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Originally Posted by slickric21

Little bit late to this party,

So does these new features Hyperformance/vsync work with Sandybridge & Z68 then ??

I thought it was just the Z77 and Ivy ??

If the board has a Lucid chip, it should be able to use it.

You could try this Virtu Universal GPU Virtualization
Download here: Virtu Universal Software

slickric21 · 04-29-2012, 17:52 | posts: 1,680 | Location: U.K

I've only tested the program with BF3, and with Hyperformance on fps is indeed higher for the most part, however crucial minimum dips are a bit more severe- so its a no-go.
Plus as others have mentioned its got that weird microstuttering feeling to it even at high fps.

The virtual vsync (by itself) worked a bit better and gave quite good smoothness - but minimum fps again suffers.

One to watch for the future this program maybe, but at current its a no for BF3

sykozis · 04-29-2012, 17:55 | posts: 13,488 | Location: US East Coast

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Originally Posted by automaticman

but... Virtu MVP isn't intended to do anything about improving performance. It's designed to minimize frame rate drops associated with vsync and also reduce input lag. So, from your description, it sounds like it's working.

In WoW and Diablo3, it appears to work rather well. The only issue I have is that I can't launch games with Virtu enabled, which isn't a major issue in itself, but is an irritation.

krpetrov · 05-02-2012, 20:24 | posts: 178 | Location: Bulgaria

Thank to Slicrik21 I can use Virtu again!

Here is my new results with overclocked 7950 + i5 2500k at 4,8ghz + Asrock Z68 pro3 L2.04

3dmark vantage - P59000
3dmark 11 - P9000

The results seems to me ridiculously high?! Is is possible that the program is cheating benchmarks ?!

harkinsteven · 05-02-2012, 20:27 | posts: 1,522 | Location: Ireland

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Originally Posted by krpetrov

Thank to Slicrik21 I can use Virtu again!

Here is my new results with overclocked 7950 + i5 2500k at 4,8ghz + Asrock Z68 pro3 L2.04

3dmark vantage - P59000
3dmark 11 - P9000

The results seems to me ridiculously high?! Is is possible that the program is cheating benchmarks ?!

Dunno but I get 11000+ on 3DMark 11. Its great.

UZ7 · 05-02-2012, 20:31 | posts: 5,020 | Location: Everyday Rain Florida

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Originally Posted by krpetrov

Thank to Slicrik21 I can use Virtu again!

Here is my new results with overclocked 7950 + i5 2500k at 4,8ghz + Asrock Z68 pro3 L2.04

3dmark vantage - P59000
3dmark 11 - P9000

The results seems to me ridiculously high?! Is is possible that the program is cheating benchmarks ?!

Your benchmarks will be higher and 3DMark has already noted that they will have an indicator if you're using it or not so it wont confuse real results but for the most part just because you get good results on the benchmark doesn't mean the games you play will also have an improved in performance. It most likely has to support it in the drivers and in other cases it would give lower results, but it doesnt hurt to test other games.

sykozis · 05-03-2012, 22:49 | posts: 13,488 | Location: US East Coast

VirtuMVP doesn't exactly improve performance in games....nor in benchmarks.

If you have both HyperFormance and Virtual V-Sync enabled, Virtu will drop frames that won't be displayed so that they won't be rendered either. It doesn't improve performance, but it does improve gameplay by reducing the effects of framerate spikes.

Currently, if you have Virtu installed, Futuremark treats your score as if you "cheated" to get it whether Virtu is enabled or not.

eddiepropane · 05-04-2012, 12:55 | posts: 20

Hey all, looking for a bit of help please

I've installed MVP on my MSI Z77A-GD65 with 3770k and a XFX HD6870.

Running Win7x64 clean install on new build, Installed AMD 12.4 WHQL and the most recent Intel VGA drivers also WHQL with the most recent version of MVP from Lucid's website.

Everything shows as installed and working not in trial mode but no matter what settings I have in BIOS/Lucid (i-mode/d-mode, init PEG/IGPU 1st etc) it only uses my igpu, no change on 3DMark/Unigine and also on F1 2011 and also for Ridge Racer Unbounded that I created a profile for.

It's driving me a bit bonkers as I want to use the feature connected through the igpu port as advertised by the company (seems to drop a cpl of frames in this configuration compared to connected to dgpu which I am happy with) as this stops any audio delay issues which are introduced when the AMD card is connected to my AV equipment.

Cheers, Bob.

slickric21 · 05-04-2012, 21:45 | posts: 1,680 | Location: U.K

Wish could help you mate i only have mine in d-mode.

Did you set the games profiles to d-mode in the Lucid control panel ? (I'm guessing you did lol)

Tbh your not missing much yet really, did some more testing today this time on Crysis and Metro.
Hyperformance mode induced graphical problems in both.
Virtual VSync worked a little better and although dropped fps below no MVP fps, it did feel quite smooth with no tearing of course.

Add this to my BF3 tests which Hyperformance increases max fps and average fps, but cuts min fps badly - making it worthless. Also it induces terrible microstuttering aswell.
Virtual Vsync helped it, but as the other 2 games above no MVP at all is better still

Hoping this feature will get better in future, could be interesting. However based on what Andandtech said in their article on it,

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Virtual V-Sync will only work if your frame rate is greater than your refresh rate, usually 60 FPS. It does not increase frame rates, but removes tearing while keeping the responsiveness of the input system (mouse) better than normal V-Sync.

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HyperFormance increases responsiveness and makes FPS meaningless. In order to work, HyperFormance will only make a difference if your normal frame rate is greater than your refresh rate, usually 60 FPS.

So for both features to work, you need to be over 60fps already...in which case you don't really need either of them !!!!!!

sykozis · 05-04-2012, 23:50 | posts: 13,488 | Location: US East Coast

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Originally Posted by slickric21

Wish could help you mate i only have mine in d-mode.

Did you set the games profiles to d-mode in the Lucid control panel ? (I'm guessing you did lol)

Tbh your not missing much yet really, did some more testing today this time on Crysis and Metro.
Hyperformance mode induced graphical problems in both.
Virtual VSync worked a little better and although dropped fps below no MVP fps, it did feel quite smooth with no tearing of course.

Add this to my BF3 tests which Hyperformance increases max fps and average fps, but cuts min fps badly - making it worthless. Also it induces terrible microstuttering aswell.
Virtual Vsync helped it, but as the other 2 games above no MVP at all is better still

Hoping this feature will get better in future, could be interesting. However based on what Andandtech said in their article on it,

So for both features to work, you need to be over 60fps already...in which case you don't really need either of them !!!!!!

The reason you have to be above 60fps is because Virtu MVP drops the extra frames so they don't get rendered. If you're below 60fps....there's no "extra" frames...

Sajittarius · *Last edited by Sajittarius; 05-05-2012 at 14:06.*

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Originally Posted by sykozis

The reason you have to be above 60fps is because Virtu MVP drops the extra frames so they don't get rendered. If you're below 60fps....there's no "extra" frames...

The theory is that it should also help when under 60fps, by telling the discrete gpu to cancel rendering any frames that it knows will not get rendered in time for next screen refresh.

In reality, it doesn't help much from what I've seen. But I've only tested it a couple of games.

Edit: sorry i saw further down you clarified that it helps smooth out spikes. (Sorry was tired when i posted, lol)

slickric21 · 05-05-2012, 13:54 | posts: 1,680 | Location: U.K

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Originally Posted by sykozis

The reason you have to be above 60fps is because Virtu MVP drops the extra frames so they don't get rendered. If you're below 60fps....there's no "extra" frames...

Ahh thanks for the simple explaination, makes sense now

So really its going to be no better than either a frame rate limiter or normal vsync (provided one sets up appropriate renderahead and/or triplebuffering to combat mouse lag)

Sajittarius · 05-05-2012, 19:08 | posts: 125 | Location: New York, USA

Has anyone gotten virtu mvp to work with an fxaa injector that uses a custom d3d9.dll? Looks like it wont even start a game when you have a custom dll in the game's folder.

MrH · 05-05-2012, 19:14 | posts: 1,530 | Location: UK

I haven't really tested it much, but it works well in WoW, 120fps with vsync on is nice.

sykozis · 05-05-2012, 20:50 | posts: 13,488 | Location: US East Coast

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Originally Posted by slickric21

Ahh thanks for the simple explaination, makes sense now

So really its going to be no better than either a frame rate limiter or normal vsync (provided one sets up appropriate renderahead and/or triplebuffering to combat mouse lag)

Unlike a typical framelimiter or v-sync, it doesn't attempt to lock the output framerate at 60fps. As long as you're above 60fps, it simply drops the additional frames so they don't get rendered. Also, if you drop below 60fps, Virtual V-sync just "shuts off" and allows the graphics card to render every frame with no interference, unlike contemporary v-sync. I've found it actually provides smoother game play than having sync+triplebuffer.... At least in MY particular case anyway.