ATi Catalyst 9.12 beta (8.663.1) "Hemlock/Shift driver" - Page 4

MaxBlade · 11-18-2009, 16:04 | posts: 592 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Pyr0

8.663.1_Beta5_Hemlock_VistaWin7_Nov11.exe
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...n-hd-5970.aspx

Thanks Pyr0

Quicks · 11-19-2009, 02:34 | posts: 317 | Location: South Africa | User is Offline

What makes this driver so special ? normally its like 60 - 70mb and this 9.12 driver is dubble the size 112mb am i missing something ?

drouge · 11-19-2009, 03:36 | posts: 432 | Location: on the edge | User is Offline

It covers win 7 32/64 bit and vista 32/64 bit.

rflair · 11-19-2009, 03:54 | posts: 955 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Quicks

What makes this driver so special ? normally its like 60 - 70mb and this 9.12 driver is dubble the size 112mb am i missing something ?

And its not a 9.12 driver, its a 9.10 variant.

Dubbs · 11-19-2009, 04:05 | posts: 59 | Location: Plymouth | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by rflair

And its not a 9.12 driver, its a 9.10 variant.

so no point going to that from 9.11 i spose?

rflair · 11-19-2009, 04:18 | posts: 955 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Dubbs

so no point going to that from 9.11 i spose?

I wouldn't.

These drivers 8.661, 8.633, 8.663.1 beta X are all basically just 8.66 drivers.

When a card is added to an already established driver ATI labels it with a .1 (or .2 or .3). So the 8.663.1 beta X are really just 8.663 drivers with an extra video card now added in.

kitch9

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Originally Posted by rflair

I wouldn't.

These drivers 8.661, 8.633, 8.663.1 beta X are all basically just 8.66 drivers.

When a card is added to an already established driver ATI labels it with a .1 (or .2 or .3). So the 8.663.1 beta X are really just 8.663 drivers with an extra video card now added in.

Rflair, do you fancy massaging someones special place at Ati to get us the 9.12 betas?

You have to take one for the team sometimes you know!!

dnottis · 11-19-2009, 04:33 | posts: 164 | User is Offline

I dunno. I have a feeling since these are beta that they don't bother to update the tags on the d3d, ogl and driver revision. These are newer than the 9.11 WHQL and the 9.11 WHQL have prolly been back from MS for a bit before they get released. These were actually built on 11-10 so believe they have to be newer despite what the revision show in the drivers. Maybe the betas are built from a different branching altogether. In any case I unstalled 9.11 WHQL, ran driver sweeper and installed these. They do show as 9.10 but they are super fast and smooth. Played L4d2 last night and some COD MW2 special ops, they were amazingly smooth, much smoother than 9.11 WHQL. Crysis went from 62 FPS in the spot my savegame loads to 75 even hitting 80s now (1680x1050, high, 2x AA). So there is definitely a performance increase.

rflair · 11-19-2009, 04:43 | posts: 955 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by dnottis

I dunno. I have a feeling since these are beta that they don't bother to update the tags on the d3d, ogl and driver revision. These are newer than the 9.11 WHQL and the 9.11 WHQL have prolly been back from MS for a bit before they get released. These were actually built on 11-10 so believe they have to be newer despite what the revision show in the drivers. Maybe the betas are built from a different branching altogether. In any case I unstalled 9.11 WHQL, ran driver sweeper and installed these. They do show as 9.10 but they are super fast and smooth. Played L4d2 last night and some COD MW2 special ops, they were amazingly smooth, much smoother than 9.11 WHQL. Crysis went from 62 FPS in the spot my savegame loads to 75 even hitting 80s now (1680x1050, high, 2x AA). So there is definitely a performance increase.

If ATI were to add 5450 to these 8.663.1 drivers they would magically become 8.663.2 and a newer compile date to match. They are 8.66 derivatives nothing more.

And yes there are multiple branches of drivers, 8.67, 8.68, 8.69, 8.70 being worked on.

ATI always updates the 'tags' on the individual pieces of their drivers.

rflair · *Last edited by rflair; 11-19-2009 at 04:55.*

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Originally Posted by kitch9

Rflair, do you fancy massaging someones special place at Ati to get us the 9.12 betas?

You have to take one for the team sometimes you know!!

I would if I had them, at one time I had a very close connection with someone high up at AMD, they moved on. I still have access to some 'newer' drivers through someone else, but I don't want to bite the hand that feeds, saying give me more and putting them in a possibly uncomfortable position.

Edit: While the drivers from the 9.12 RC2 XP betas will not install the CCC will, if you are using Vista x64/Win 7 x64. Not that it will offer much, but there are some subtle changes to CCC.

HaZe303 · 11-19-2009, 05:18 | posts: 1,156 | Location: Sweden | User is Offline

The beta5 drivers are working very well for me, mostly played Borderlands, but it is running sweet!

dnottis · 11-19-2009, 05:33 | posts: 164 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by rflair

If ATI were to add 5450 to these 8.663.1 drivers they would magically become 8.663.2 and a newer compile date to match. They are 8.66 derivatives nothing more.

And yes there are multiple branches of drivers, 8.67, 8.68, 8.69, 8.70 being worked on.

ATI always updates the 'tags' on the individual pieces of their drivers.

Ok, but in terms of the driver itself. HardOCP and Legitreviews posted reviews with the new NFS beta patch calling these 9.12 beta and that was with the beta 4 set. Now we see a Beta 5 of the same revision and it's dated 11-10-2009. The 9.11 WHQL are dated 11-9 (if I recall correctly) and who knows how long those have been back from WHQL testing. I understand about the extension for the cards - my question would be what drivers are actually newer?

X7007 · **Memory**: 8GB G.Skill 5-5-5-15 1066

So in the end the Betas are newer but Ati doesn't show it with numbers?

all things works faster with betas than 9.11 official ?

Konrad321 · 11-19-2009, 05:42 | posts: 77 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by rflair

If ATI were to add 5450 to these 8.663.1 drivers they would magically become 8.663.2 and a newer compile date to match. They are 8.66 derivatives nothing more.

And yes there are multiple branches of drivers, 8.67, 8.68, 8.69, 8.70 being worked on.

ATI always updates the 'tags' on the individual pieces of their drivers.

You are definitely wrong here. While the 3D driver version remained the same in 8.66 branch, they definitely changed something. First they added an automatically lod adjustment for Supersampling mode and second they fixed the water issue in Tropico 3. And this is only what I found out, probably they changed even more. They do not just added a card.

rflair · 11-19-2009, 05:42 | posts: 955 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by dnottis

Ok, but in terms of the driver itself. HardOCP and Legitreviews posted reviews with the new NFS beta patch calling these 9.12 beta and that was with the beta 4 set. Now we see a Beta 5 of the same revision and it's dated 11-10-2009. The 9.11 WHQL are dated 11-9 (if I recall correctly) and who knows how long those have been back from WHQL testing. I understand about the extension for the cards - my question would be what drivers are actually newer?

9.11 are newer, being based on a different build then 9.10, so there might be a bug that crept its way into one or the other, or a bug not present in one or the other.

NFS patch is whats going to bring the performance to this game that ATI users want, drivers are going to help, but no where near as to what the patch will do.

Truly I wish ATI would just release drivers based on driver package builds, calling them 8.67, 8.682 and such rather then Catalyst x.x, just because the true nature of the driver is its build number.

rflair · 11-19-2009, 05:47 | posts: 955 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Konrad321

You are definitely wrong here. While the 3D driver version remained the same in 8.66 branch, they definitely changed something. First they added an automatically lod adjustment for Supersampling mode and second they fixed the water issue in Tropico 3. And this is only what I found out, probably they changed even more. They do not just added a card.

Nope. I never said that from 8.66 to 8.663 there were no drivers fixes, I said from 8.663 to 8.663.1 there were no changes other then adding a new card. And I also said that all 8.66x.x drivers were based of 8.66, which they are.

Konrad321 · 11-19-2009, 06:03 | posts: 77 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by rflair

Nope. I never said that from 8.66 to 8.663 there were no drivers fixes, I said from 8.663 to 8.663.1 there were no changes other then adding a new card. And I also said that all 8.66x.x drivers were based of 8.66, which they are.

Which 8.663? Isn't there only a 8.663.1?

You told:

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These drivers 8.661, 8.633, 8.663.1 beta X are all basically just 8.66 drivers.

Basically 8.66 but not the same at all.

rflair · 11-19-2009, 06:08 | posts: 955 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Konrad321

Which 8.663? Isn't there only a 8.663.1?

You told:

Basically 8.66 but not the same at all.

Code:

;-----------------------------------------------
;----------0910231658-8.663-091006a-090554C
;-----------------------------------------------
; ATI Display Information file : atiilhag.inf
;
; Installation INF for the ATI display driver.
; Copyright(C) 1998-2006 ATI Technologies Inc.
;-----------------------------------------------
; PX - PX Proxy mode
; PR - PX Proxy Ready

[Version]
Signature="$Windows NT$"
Provider=%ATI%
ClassGUID={4D36E968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Class=Display
DriverVer=10/06/2009, 8.663.0.0000
;;LayoutFile=layout.inf
CatalogFile=CH_90554.CAT

And once again basically 8.66.

Konrad321 · 11-19-2009, 06:38 | posts: 77 | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by rflair

Code:

;-----------------------------------------------
;----------0910231658-8.663-091006a-090554C
;-----------------------------------------------
; ATI Display Information file : atiilhag.inf
;
; Installation INF for the ATI display driver.
; Copyright(C) 1998-2006 ATI Technologies Inc.
;-----------------------------------------------
; PX - PX Proxy mode
; PR - PX Proxy Ready

[Version]
Signature="$Windows NT$"
Provider=%ATI%
ClassGUID={4D36E968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Class=Display
DriverVer=10/06/2009, 8.663.0.0000
;;LayoutFile=layout.inf
CatalogFile=CH_90554.CAT

And once again basically 8.66.

Where I can download this file?

rflair · 11-19-2009, 06:54 | posts: 955 | Location: Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Konrad321

Where I can download this file?

Its basically the same driver, but if you want I'll send it to Megaupload.

Konrad321 · 11-19-2009, 07:10 | posts: 77 | User is Offline

No I don't need this. I would need 8.68 for Win7 anyway.

sunn · 11-19-2009, 08:51 | posts: 155 | Location: UK | User is Offline

Installed the ones from amd's site on lefty http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...n-hd-5970.aspx

Crysis/Warehead (High/Gamer no AA @ 2560 * 1600)

9.11 36.23/30.05
8.663 (9.12 beta) 41.43/37.40

Warehead much smoother.

3DMarks about the same

The 2D clocks are messed up, and editing the profiles.xml doesnt sick, but after a game they return to normal, and then the below?

sunn · 11-20-2009, 03:57 | posts: 155 | Location: UK | User is Offline

After abit of watching, maybe whatever monitoring/reports is wrong

GPU usage shows GPU0 its fully loaded too, but looking at power usage its not higher than normal (u would think it would) then again temp is a steadily climbing

oh well

cowie · 11-20-2009, 14:33 | posts: 7,012 | Location: new jersey | User is Offline

any1 else using a 5970 have freeze issues with futuremark benches???
all i can get to run is vantage all th rest freeze at stock clocks all around
will another driver work for this card??

psyside · 11-22-2009, 16:42 | posts: 119 | Location: Macedonia | User is Offline

There are some problems already reported with vantage and Ati 5xxx cards/drivers.