Windows 7 SP1 out within the year - Page 2

kylzer · 11-03-2009, 08:49 | posts: 14,715 | Location: Aberdeen, UK | User is Online

Yeah wmp sucks ass in the retail.

Denial

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Yeah wmp sucks ass in the retail.

It really does. It's never been a strong media player, but as pointed out in the Ars Technica review, they actually removed features from this version. So it's even worse. I tried removing it to fix the problem, but you'd be surprised on how many apps use the damn thing internally for whatever reason.

Joey

Windows Media Player was really messed up badly for Windows 7, they removed a load of useful features and it's still a complete bitch when you first start it up. You pull your hair out trying to get it to just stop indexing everything on your system for hours on end. STOP IT! It has no business creating massive index files and thrashing your disc when you haven't told it to. Same goes for Media Centre. The libraries feature is unusable for this reason.. anything you link to in there is going to get scanned and at least 3 lots of indexes with 3 lots of thumbnails created for it.. (1 Media Centre, 1 for the system index, 1 for WMP) talk about a badly thought-out waste of time.

I've also had problems getting Media Centre extender working with the xbox.. it just won't connect even though it went through the setup process and everything. On Vista it worked perfectly.

Luvabud · 11-03-2009, 09:16 | posts: 897 | Location: Uk | User is Offline

Sucks ass is too good, the f'in thing bsods my pc with memory errors.

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Yeah wmp sucks ass in the retail.

TheHunter · 11-03-2009, 09:41 | posts: 3,594 | Location: ˈjʊərəp | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Denial

I don't have memory issues but I get issues with permissions. I also have a weird issue with Windows Media Player just randomly opening up in the background. When I click play with like winamp open all of a sudden I'll hear multiple things overlapping, extremely annoying and I can't find out what's causing it.

it could be windows slideshow gadget, it caused some issues here and made wmp running all the time, until i killed it in taskmanager. I deleted this pos since i found it useless anyway.

king-dubs · 11-03-2009, 10:08 | posts: 1,644 | Location: 127.0.0.1 | User is Offline

SP1 already? What happened to "the best edition of Windows ever"?

Denial · *Last edited by Denial; 11-03-2009 at 10:21.*

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SP1 already? What happened to "the best edition of Windows ever"?

I'm sorry but this comment makes you look incredibly ignorant. I mean first of all, as pointed out in quite a few comments already, there are bugs in the OS, there were features cut, and there are things that can be improved upon. Second of all, anyone saying the "the best edition of Windows ever" clearly doesn't understand the meaning of ever, thus should be ignored. Third, the first SP1 of both XP and Vista both came out about a year after release.

Drastically overstating a non-existent issue.

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it could be windows slideshow gadget, it caused some issues here and made wmp running all the time, until i killed it in taskmanager. I deleted this pos since i found it useless anyway.

Holy **** I <3 you. That was it! I closed it and it's not occurring anymore, but how do I remove it permanently? I uninstalled the Windows Media Center gadget but I'm not sure if that's it or not.

Corrupt^ · 11-03-2009, 10:19 | posts: 2,295 | Location: Belgium | User is Offline

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SP1 already? What happened to "the best edition of Windows ever"?

The best can always be better. So far no problems here and I've gained 10 to 30 fps in cs source compared to xp... wth xD
So far the only thing that bothered me was the fact that textpad doesn't recognize the java tools straight away.

And as for as WMP goes, I couldn't care less. I haven't even opened WMP since I installed win 7, I just installed Media Player Classic and Foobar straight away.

TheHunter · 11-03-2009, 10:37 | posts: 3,594 | Location: ˈjʊərəp | User is Offline

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Holy **** I <3 you. That was it! I closed it and it's not occurring anymore, but how do I remove it permanently? I uninstalled the Windows Media Center gadget but I'm not sure if that's it or not.

cool, glad to help

i saw it in device manager "its a driver", uninstall it there..i didnt see it since and windows didnt ask me to install it either, so looks like its a permanent uninstall.

dukedave5200 · 11-03-2009, 11:04 | posts: 2,838 | Location: Central PA | User is Offline

Microsoft just can't win with some people... Doesn't mater what they do it's either too little too late, or too much too soon. Some people just never seem to be happy.

For me, I waited a while before getting Vista, but I never had any major problems with it. Most of the problems I had were from video drivers from NVidia. But it didn't take too long until things smoothed out for me.

One thing I find interesting is that Windows 7 is really just a tweaked Vista with a new name and perhaps a couple new features. But you'd think by some people's posts that Windows 7 is somehow vastly different than Vista. I really just don't get that.

Anyway, I am glad to see Microsoft getting patches and updates out as soon as possible. They certainly changed how they do things compared to Vista and this is good for us. Anyone complaining that SP1 is too soon really needs think a bit more about that.

Kow

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I've been running W7 24/7 since the public RC were released and unless there's some hidden vulnerability that allows everyone and their dog to take control over my computer through remote execution I doubt there's anything to worry about.

That is exactly what you need to be worrying about, and is probably what MS is worrying about. Hear about the WiFi HotSpot code that MS was working on and initially was going to include in Win 7 but didnt because it was unfinished? Well they didn't actually remove that code.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/18104...ml?tk=rss_news

There is a Win7 exploit for you.

The Laughing Ma · 11-03-2009, 12:31 | posts: 517 | User is Offline

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Is anyone else having problems with W7 sucking up too much memory and getting bogged down from time to time? How about the problem I described with saving items to the desktop? Save a snip to desktop, then try and save a second... does it come up with a permissions error?

Nope and nope. Saying that I only have 40 odd processes running, including Rocket Dock, Moo0 Sys Monitor and Firefox so I dunno Joey it seems that you have quite a lot more processes running than I do. Whichever way I slice it my standard desktop very rarely goes over the 1gig mark when it's sitting there doing nothing.

As for the permissions when snipping, just gave it a try and I was able to save two snip captures to my desktop without issue.

Saying that I do have some issues.

Fallout 3 is twitchy as all hell, saying that it may be to do with my Asus soundcard drivers more than W7 but when it does crash it comes up with that daft warning that asks if I want to skip or find a solution online and can I bloody well select the button that just gets ride of the warning, can I buggery. alt+tabing, task manager, alt+f4 it is pure hit and miss getting the warning to go away since the mouse pointer seems to die with the game and won't reappear until the game is killed fully.

Oh and Rockert Dock from time to time will forget the location and image file associated with my 'films' folder mind you under XP Rocket Dock would periodically forget that it was set to run at start up.

hallryu · 11-03-2009, 12:36 | posts: 4,835 | Location: England | User is Offline

I'm as happy as a pig with a potatoe with Win7, no issues! Not sure why the SP so soon though!

GenClaymore · *Last edited by GenClaymore; 11-03-2009 at 12:41.*

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What are you talking about? The problems I'm having are with the final/gold/"shop brought" home premium version. I pre-ordered it and when I received it in the post on launch day, I replaced (clean install) over my install of the RC (7100) ... I had been using the RC since that was released to the public.. whenever that was in July or something.

Is anyone else having problems with W7 sucking up too much memory and getting bogged down from time to time? How about the problem I described with saving items to the desktop? Save a snip to desktop, then try and save a second... does it come up with a permissions error?

The build 7600 is what they sent to retail, to be made into mass dvds to be sold. Unless they changed something at the last min. Thats why I posted what I did, because build 7600 beta is the same as Retail that you bought from the store. With maybe changes they did at the last min.

And I was saying I wasnt having issues relate to the build 7600 beta being the retail.Well that what it suppose to be from what I been reading but I dont have Final windows7 money yet.

KCjoker · **Memory**: Patriot eXtreme 4x1GB 6400 4-4-4-12

If I remember right it seems like business' don't like to move to the newest OS until after the first SP. So my guess is the SP1 is coming out fast to get business on board with W7.

deltatux · 11-03-2009, 15:15 | posts: 5,864 | Location: Toronto, Canada | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Joey

Windows Media Player was really messed up badly for Windows 7, they removed a load of useful features and it's still a complete bitch when you first start it up. You pull your hair out trying to get it to just stop indexing everything on your system for hours on end. STOP IT! It has no business creating massive index files and thrashing your disc when you haven't told it to. Same goes for Media Centre. The libraries feature is unusable for this reason.. anything you link to in there is going to get scanned and at least 3 lots of indexes with 3 lots of thumbnails created for it.. (1 Media Centre, 1 for the system index, 1 for WMP) talk about a badly thought-out waste of time.

I've also had problems getting Media Centre extender working with the xbox.. it just won't connect even though it went through the setup process and everything. On Vista it worked perfectly.

What features did they remove? All the features I know in Windows Media Player 11 is in Windows Media Player 12...

Media sharing has been moved to the Network and Sharing Centre for those who are like that's gone!!

As for WMC to X360? It works fine here. I had an issue where it randomly stopped working on the RC version. So glad it's gone when I installed the RTM version (Windows 7 Home Premium x64 on my media centre).

As for SP1, meh, good to know they are speeding patching up their OS. Still can't beat the open source community on hole plugging speed

deltatux

vbetts · 11-03-2009, 19:41 | posts: 6,608 | Location: Toledo Ohio | User is Offline

Well, it's always good to improve the OS anytime anyway you can.

Denial

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What features did they remove? All the features I know in Windows Media Player 11 is in Windows Media Player 12...

Media sharing has been moved to the Network and Sharing Centre for those who are like that's gone!!

As for WMC to X360? It works fine here. I had an issue where it randomly stopped working on the RC version. So glad it's gone when I installed the RTM version (Windows 7 Home Premium x64 on my media centre).

As for SP1, meh, good to know they are speeding patching up their OS. Still can't beat the open source community on hole plugging speed

deltatux

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Overall the new features of WMP12 work as they should, and they're good features. But the thing is, WMP12 is horrible.

First, the program's tagging and metadata support remains pathetic. For example, WMP still doesn't understand ID3 tags that are written using version 2.4 of the specification; it still doesn't understand that some albums have multiple discs (it's so frustrating to have properly tagged CDs play in track order 1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-etc., but WMP offers no alternative). Explorer shares these same deficits. These are long-standing gripes that make managing music in WMP12 a less-than-satisfactory experience.

WMP12 makes things worse than its predecessors by, as far as I can tell, removing the "Advanced" Tag Editor altogether. OK, the Advanced Tag Editor was never all that powerful or advanced, but it was better than nothing, which is what we have in WMP12. Oh, sure, we can type things into the WMP window to make changes to those columns that we have visible, but for even simple batch changes this is unacceptable. Features such as adding lyrics or removing incorrect album art are now completely missing; the Advanced Tag Editor was the only option, and now it is gone.

And the album art is weak, supporting a maximum image size of only 240x240. So while iTunes has reasonable 800x600 album art, WMP relies on tiny little pictures. Indeed, the whole album art situation is miserable in WMP, and WMP12 takes another step backwards. WMP11 would use embedded album art in preference to the hidden JPEG images stored in each album's directory (the hidden folder.jpg and randomly-named friends that are readily visible on any WMP-managed directories). The hidden files would still only be the small images that WMP downloads, but within the program itself it would display the large embedded image. With WMP12 that's no longer the case. The hidden JPEG files are the only thing that WMP will display. Make the Now Playing window anything other than tiny, and it looks stupid.
That itty bitty picture looks oh so foolish

The rationale for removing the Advanced Tag Editor was that it wasn't very good; that it didn't meet the quality standard set for Windows 7. While it's true that it wasn't very good, removing it without replacing it is equally not very good. Worse, in fact. Making the software completely unable to do something is inferior to doing something in a clumsy way.

The integration with Libraries is far from perfect, too. Currently WMP is showing me files from two locations that haven't been in my Library for about a month. It is slowly sorting itself out, removing the missing files, but the process is far slower than it was in WMP11. What's more, it isn't even doing so consistently; some of the files from the old locations are gone, but other files—from the same folder, even—are still showing up. All of this represents a big omission relative to its predecessor. WMP11 had its own library concept, and it kept the library up-to-date through watching folders (oh how I wish iTunes could do the same). Updates to the filesystem were reflected in the WMP11 library almost instantaneously. That's no longer the case with WMP12. Updates to the library do eventually make their way into WMP, but it's nowhere near as snappy.
Drives E and I are not even attached to the system and have been removed from the Library

The only practical solution is to reset the library; this causes WMP12 to close (it's not clear why that should be necessary) and on restarting it rebuilds the entire database. Even this is a regression; WMP11 could rescan its folders without closing.

Media Player has been visually refreshed; the over-the-top translucency of WMP11 has disappeared in favour of a more muted appearance. Various features have been rearranged, so nothing is in quite the same place as it used to be, and there are still some very questionable UI decisions. Though the menu bar is normally hidden from view, the application is still very much dependent on it for normal operations. If a UI element is essential (and the menu is) it shouldn't be mysteriously hidden away. The no-menu trend is becoming more widespread in Microsoft's software, and while I don't think it's a bad thing per se, it needs to be done properly. Internet Explorer and Explorer both hide their menu bars, but they provide access to the vast majority of the menu's features through other mechanisms; the few operations left in the menus are esoteric and rarely used. Hiding these makes no difference in normal usage; the same can't be said of WMP. The menus haven't been replaced by other UI devices, they're just hidden and obscured from view. This is dumb design.

All in all, a frustrating experience.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/rev...-review.ars/10

I pretty much agree with everything from that article when I tried to use it - though I only used it once for about an hour before installing winamp again.

HeavyHemi · 11-03-2009, 21:32 | posts: 894 | Location: Vault 69 | User is Offline

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Just as everyone leapt on Vista for being crap, people are now bleeting that Windows 7 is perfect. Come on guys, that's just as ridiculous. I ran the RC 24/7 and have had the full version sicne from day 1. It's solid but still needs stuff fixing.

I have a X on my network adapter even though it's working fine, if I leave Media Centre open fullscreen and launch another video player it causes a massive memory leak. In fact, maybe it's a certain program's lack of Win7 compatibility but I have a lot memory leak problems.

I just have these open...

But look how much memory gets sucked up..

Then there are issues with write permissions. If you try and save to the desktop sometimes you get an error. Open the snipping tool, save one image, then snip a new one and try and save that... permission errors pop up.

Then there are the numerous UI breaks and inconsistences that were detailed in the arstechnica review. I doubt they will be fixed, but they should be.

Last but not least is the utterly appalling "upgrade edition" mess Microsoft have created. No one on Earth knows the particulars and rules of how and when you can upgrade.. especially if you want to go from 32bit XP to 64bit W7. Some times a clean install works, sometimes it doesn't.

Windows 7 is far far far from perfect.

Uh 69 processes? WTF do you have running? As I type this I have 38 running. There is a very clear and concise guide on the upgrade paths.

Denial

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Uh 69 processes? WTF do you have running? As I type this I have 38 running. There is a very clear and concise guide on the upgrade paths.

Meh I have 70 processes. All I have running is firefox/logitech keyboard garbage, vent pidgin and a couple things from acronis and Heroes of Newerth. I mean with everything closed it's closer to 55ish but I mean 70 processes is pretty average. Then again I've been up to about 100 processes before while doing some work and my system almost never goes above 50% ram usage.

vbetts · 11-03-2009, 21:43 | posts: 6,608 | Location: Toledo Ohio | User is Offline

1.Background services that use memory.
2.Background applications that use memory.
3.Superfetch.
4.You've got 8 programs loaded up also.

CPC_RedDawn

I have 46 processes running atm and all I have running is Avast, and Google Chrome. I have not got round to disabling Superfetch or ReadyBoost just yet even though it would take like 2 seconds.

But Superfetch disabled is only really good if you have a small amount of RAM. I have 6GB which is by no means small.

I have no idea why people are comparing W7 to Vista. It bugged me when people moaned about Vista when it was released and comparing that to XP. You are comparing an OS that has been out for about a week or two to an OS that has gone through 2 SP's in its life time. Both XP and Vista have had time to mature, give W7 a chance before you complain about its faults.

By far its the best working OS at release then any other OS I have ever used. And the first OS I used was W95, W98, WME, W2000, WXP, Vista, now 7. By far the best launched OS ever, and I am comparing it it all those OS's not just Vista or XP.

Sash · *Last edited by Sash; 11-04-2009 at 02:13.*

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I just have these open...

But look how much memory gets sucked up..

right, because Photoshop is not even a memory hog
/sarcasm

you people are weak, i currently have 78 processes running and 1,73 gb of ram used on Vista sp2 x64

TheHunter · 11-04-2009, 07:54 | posts: 3,594 | Location: ˈjʊərəp | User is Offline

i have 52 atm.. i disabled few http://www.blackviper.com/Windows_7/servicecfg.htm

damn i had a thought wmp12 was buggy, but not so much... one thing i just discovered but it doesnt make much sense is - Media Library location being unresponsive... you have to enabled indexing service (add files you want to index) to make it responsive again.. but God damn mp3 aren't scanned right still, it doesn't show track length or time... ****ing MS if i make a playlist its ok..

kylzer · 11-04-2009, 08:09 | posts: 14,715 | Location: Aberdeen, UK | User is Online

63 here and 1.88gb used out of 6

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i have 52 atm.. i disabled few http://www.blackviper.com/Windows_7/servicecfg.htm

damn i had a thought wmp12 was buggy, but not so much... one thing i just discovered but it doesnt make much sense is - Media Library location being unresponsive... you have to enabled indexing service (add files you want to index) to make it responsive again.. but God damn mp3 aren't scanned right still, it doesn't show track length or time... ****ing MS if i make a playlist its ok..

and mine works fine till you restart or log off then you have to rescan your whole libery again its like wtf

so im currently using zune player its not to bad.