New 955BE new problems

[Psychlone]

I don't take 'fact' as truth.
I'm the one on this forum that proved the 'fact' that AM2/AM2+/AM3 boards were in fact completely capable of running at 1066 (or higher) with all 4 banks populated, despite disclaimers and 'factual' evidence actually printed in whitepapers and manuals everywhere.

I, personally, have taken my Phenom II 940BE above 4GHz on a 64bit OS...so it CAN be done.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=501752


I am aware that lots of people have issues overclocking on x64 systems, and I have nothing that I can say about it, other than I've done it myself, and so I know it can be done.

Psychlone

[itsb1again]

I dunno If it's a problem or not. I can't get mine over 3.71 stable. I've tried low voltages, high voltages, everything.. It is just not stable. I can boot @ 3.9, run everest, run cpu id, etc.. but it's just not stable and eventually crashes.

So that's why I'm switching to Intel. Oh yeah + the fact that I'm forced into using ATI if I'd like to go 2x video cards. -- Fairwell AMD.

But i'm ranting, the 3.8 bug or more caught my eye. Good luck my friend.

[TheHunter]

Originally Posted by deltatux

Could be a motherboard thing. I don't know, ye, I'm quite surprised at your results and I did thought it was a leak, guess not...

By the way, as a comparison, here's my results on EVEREST:


The next suspect is your motherboard. I know my brother's motherboard's thermal sensors are a bit whacked. Can you post a CPUID HWMonitor screenshot?

Btw, what cooler are you using, could be that instead...

deltatux

and here's mine just for the fun of it

[Psychlone]

^ Comparing apples to pomegranates and 1056MHz RAM against 800MHz (even overclocked to 950+ MHz) isn't exactly what Liranan or Deltatux had in mind...Intel is obviously going to win benchmarks like this.

Psychlone

[Liranan]

Despite having a much higher theoretical bandwidth than AMD Intel CPU's aren't nearly as efficient. It was proven by Anandtech or XBit (I'm quite sure it was Anand) that AMD annihilates anything Intel throws at them when it comes to servers.

I don't know whether that kind of performance also translates to desktops but I know that Opterons are, by far, superior to Xeons, despite being much, much cheaper. This is why AMD will move to triple channel in a few months, they've felt that there was no need and will move to triple channel with their hexa core CPU's.

So, I've ordered the MA790XT-UD4P. I got tired of arguing with them over whether they can or can't get any of the motherboards I want. This was the alternative choice to the other boards and it seems to be a decent last resort. It's not what I was after but, unless I switch to Intel, this is all I have. I wonder if this lack of hardware could be of Intel's doing, considering China also threatened to investigate Intel for anti-competitive practices and I wonder how those investigations are going in Korea and Japan.

The only M4A board they could get, apparantly, was a used one and, knowing what I do with mine, I wouldn't trust one that had already been opened. God knows what they might have done with it. I once remember getting a used motherboard one shop was trying to sell as new and one of the capacitors was missing

[SnooSnoo]

Originally Posted by Psychlone

I don't take 'fact' as truth.
I'm the one on this forum that proved the 'fact' that AM2/AM2+/AM3 boards were in fact completely capable of running at 1066 (or higher) with all 4 banks populated, despite disclaimers and 'factual' evidence actually printed in whitepapers and manuals everywhere.

I, personally, have taken my Phenom II 940BE above 4GHz on a 64bit OS...so it CAN be done.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=501752


I am aware that lots of people have issues overclocking on x64 systems, and I have nothing that I can say about it, other than I've done it myself, and so I know it can be done.

Psychlone

Let me rephrase (as I never said it was impossible), It is a well known fact that quite some PII have trouble going over 4GHz and handling a 64bit os.

Actualy, Ive had an athlon x2 4200 wich was stable under xp(32bit) @ 2.9GHz but both windows(vista/7) and linux(fedora, ubuntu) would just keep restarting after a couple seconds of boot time. It could be related, but it could well be something else.

[Psychlone]

Originally Posted by SnooSnoo

Let me rephrase (as I never said it was impossible), It is a well known fact that quite some PII have trouble going over 4GHz and handling a 64bit os.

Actualy, Ive had an athlon x2 4200 wich was stable under xp(32bit) @ 2.9GHz but both windows(vista/7) and linux(fedora, ubuntu) would just keep restarting after a couple seconds of boot time. It could be related, but it could well be something else.

No problem, Brother. I didn't mean any disrespect by my comment.

What I absolutely *have* to say, is that I don't follow the 'rules', and therefore, until I experience a negative side-effect from my disregard of them, they simply don't apply to me. ( it's not like gravity doesn't apply because I don't believe in it - I simply haven't had any personal experience in problems with overclocking AMD on an x64 OS past 4GHz)

Not following the rules is how I got past the 4 populated banks @ 1066MHz thing...this is not only a discrepancy, it's a complete misnomer that should have probably never even have been printed, because, to date, there's only 1 board (in the AM2/AM2+/AM3 family) that has been proven to not do it, despite the clams of AMD and the disclaimers that every motherboard manufacturer were forced to print.

Anyway, that's another story - just because I've done it certainly doesn't mean that everyone can...everything really comes down to the CPU's stepping (week/tray/stepping) before anything else. Second to that is the motherboard, then the RAM, etc. ...and I'd put the OS as last (but again, that's *my* experience)

Take care guys, and Liranan, I hope you like your new board!

Psychlone

[Kohlendioxidus]

ok here is mine,

at 3520 without voltage increase. 3600 Hz is also "no problemo" without voltage increase but I expect the new Zalman paste for the CPU as I do not like touching 58°C in prime 95 (37°C idle).

I overclock via HT couse' I want to keep my cool and quiet

PS

Try to find the Gigabyte 790FXT UD5 as it really is a great piece

[TheHunter]

Originally Posted by Psychlone

^ Comparing apples to pomegranates and 1056MHz RAM against 800MHz (even overclocked to 950+ MHz) isn't exactly what Liranan or Deltatux had in mind...Intel is obviously going to win benchmarks like this.

Psychlone

well yea i just posted for the fun of it and i remember amd was doing better in such tests saw around for read12gb and around 10 10 for the rest.. or was it nforce chipset ? lol

[deltatux]

Originally Posted by Liranan

Despite having a much higher theoretical bandwidth than AMD Intel CPU's aren't nearly as efficient. It was proven by Anandtech or XBit (I'm quite sure it was Anand) that AMD annihilates anything Intel throws at them when it comes to servers.

I don't know whether that kind of performance also translates to desktops but I know that Opterons are, by far, superior to Xeons, despite being much, much cheaper. This is why AMD will move to triple channel in a few months, they've felt that there was no need and will move to triple channel with their hexa core CPU's.

So, I've ordered the MA790XT-UD4P. I got tired of arguing with them over whether they can or can't get any of the motherboards I want. This was the alternative choice to the other boards and it seems to be a decent last resort. It's not what I was after but, unless I switch to Intel, this is all I have. I wonder if this lack of hardware could be of Intel's doing, considering China also threatened to investigate Intel for anti-competitive practices and I wonder how those investigations are going in Korea and Japan.

The only M4A board they could get, apparantly, was a used one and, knowing what I do with mine, I wouldn't trust one that had already been opened. God knows what they might have done with it. I once remember getting a used motherboard one shop was trying to sell as new and one of the capacitors was missing

I'm interested on those articles, care to link?

As for the new board, hopefully you've solved it 'cuz basically u just bought a new rig rite there =S.

deltatux

[Liranan]

As per request.

http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3653

DDR2 800 vs. DDR3... If there's something I've misunderstood please point it out but as far as I can see AMD are superior to Intel when it comes to huge workloads.

[chas1723]

here is mine.

[Liranan]

Originally Posted by chas1723

here is mine.

I can't wait till I get my DDR3 board, dying to try my memory out. Though my modules are 8-8-8-24, everything else was just too damned expensive for my taste.