Frame doubling interpolation for 1080p x264 mkv's for superfluid 48 fps - Page 4

N0sferatU · 07-29-2009, 15:05 | posts: 791 | Location: United States | User is Offline

I'm having the same problems the people listed below are having...any ideas for a fix?

480p (SD content) runs perfectly fine it barely uses the CPU and runs fluid as can be.

720p content actually plays for a whole 60 to 90 seconds perfectly smooth and then just freezes a frame while the audio keeps going and task manager shows CPU usage down to practically nothing. Thoughts? Someone chime in with a solution! It seems the machine "CAN" handle it if it keeps it going for a good 60 seconds or so super fluid.

Same thing happens whether I used media player classic or BSPlayer.

Intel E7400 (Dual Core)
Nvidia 7100 Series
4GB Memory
XP SP3

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Originally Posted by helphelp911

Thanks, i got it working (only for the first few seconds of video). Then suddenly, frame drop to 2 and cpu only use 2%. First few seconds cpu @100% and it is smooth

help plz

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Originally Posted by vhon05

i got it to work but not for 1080 mkv's. i was averaging 80 to 85% cpu load and running smoothly at first but after every few seconds my cpu stops loading and goes down to to 2%. i also notice that everytime i pause then play again it loads back but again after a few seconds cpu goes down to 2%. help guys.

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Originally Posted by iamtrout

I'm getting the exact same thing. It works just fine for the first 5 seconds or so. Nice and smooth. Then CPU usage for BSPlayer just decides to sink down to 60%, 40%, 20%, then 0-5%.... and it won't come back up.

When I seek to the middle of the video the first few seconds play just fine, and then it drops gradually down to 0-5% CPU again...

It seems that seeking "resets" the CPU usage back up to normal levels.

I personally think it's a software issue. BSPlayer just stops using the CPU for some reason. Same thing happens even if I set process priority to above normal/have nothing happening.

This thing even happens if I resize to something smaller like 800xwhatever. The CPU maxes out at 80%, and without even hitting 100%, it drops down to 0%. So in this case it's clearly not the CPU not being powerful enough considering that it never even hits 100%...

This is really frustrating. If the CPU can't handle it, it should be at 100% all the time but with choppy playback. I've never heard of a program that just stops using the CPU altogether.

Oxylos · 09-12-2009, 01:21 | posts: 2 | User is Offline

Hello,

this is great thing. it works very well with 720p and looks impressive but my cpu is too slow for 1080p.

it is somehow possible to encode the new stream into a new file back? (m2ts or mkv)
I suppose the file size will be much bigger but less problematic then new cpu.

N0sferatU · *Last edited by N0sferatU; 09-19-2009 at 22:44.*

I'm looking to upgrade my HTPC (still trying to do on-board video) so I can try and keep the case as quiet as possible. Would this be enough fire power to chug this 48fps thing? My current setup struggles (E7400 dual core + Geforce 7100 onboard)

EDIT: 400 watt Certified 80 PSU is that enough to run this? That's what my current HTPC PSU has.

damikez · 09-30-2009, 07:38 | posts: 15 | User is Offline

Can anyone please post instructions on how to make this work with Windows 7 x64??? TIA!

N0sferatU · 10-05-2009, 05:52 | posts: 791 | Location: United States | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by damikez

Can anyone please post instructions on how to make this work with Windows 7 x64??? TIA!

it's the same instructions it works fine I'm doing it in Win 7 RTM x64

Follow it carefully one step at a time.

My HTPC still can't play the content but my new desktop flies through the 1080p stuff like butter...hehe Core i5 w/DDR3 RAM, and a Radeon HD4650. The Dark Knight never looked so sick in full 1080p w/48fps.

Redemption80 · 10-16-2009, 19:10 | posts: 2,461 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

Just eventually got round to using this.

Did i do something wrong, or is it normal for it to look like its on fast forward?

ArCElM · 10-17-2009, 02:06 | posts: 1,038 | Location: UK | User is Offline

Hi redemption lol ive jst started reading this.. wish I had not haha HERE WE GO AGAIN!

Redemption80 · 10-17-2009, 05:09 | posts: 2,461 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

Well you have a better CPU mate, so might get it working on 1080p stuff, i can only manage 720p stuff with it.

Not keen on it anyway, it does smooth out any slow movement, but everything has this Benny Hill look when it goes even a little fast, but you may like it.

Easy enough to get working, and BSPlayer isn't needed, i got it working in WMP and MPC.

travolter · 10-17-2009, 08:17 | posts: 7 | User is Offline

Im very interested about playing 1080 at 60fps with the avisynth framerate doubling.

Currently my Q9550 is not enough for 1080.. it moves 720 ok

Any of these i5 owners can confirm me that 30fps to 60fps with 1080 movies goes totally smooth without frames skipped?

regards

N0sferatU · 10-17-2009, 09:03 | posts: 791 | Location: United States | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by travolter

Im very interested about playing 1080 at 60fps with the avisynth framerate doubling.

Currently my Q9550 is not enough for 1080.. it moves 720 ok

Any of these i5 owners can confirm me that 30fps to 60fps with 1080 movies goes totally smooth without frames skipped?

regards

I did like 3 posts up dude....read! LOL (hint post #80)

Intel Core i5 played Dark Knight in 1080p flawlessly @ 48fps

Plus like someone else said MPC does it fine BSPlayer is not necessary

travolter · 10-17-2009, 11:25 | posts: 7 | User is Offline

plz only last question.

Works ok also with 1080 (VC-1) videos (again doubling from 30 to 60fps)?

h264 codec seems to provide less cpu usage than vc-1 codeds

N0sferatU · 10-18-2009, 18:32 | posts: 791 | Location: United States | User is Offline

no idea I don't use blu-ray files I just use H.264 MKV's off the internet

Redemption80 · 10-18-2009, 18:36 | posts: 2,461 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

BluRay is H264, and sometimes VC-1.

ffdshow does support VC1 as well, but i doubt there are many if any CPU's that will be able to run this with a 1080p VC-1 file.

ArCElM · *Last edited by ArCElM; 10-23-2009 at 08:58.*

out of curiosity, redemption, is this not what my 100hz motionflow BASICALLY does? on my Bravia 40W5500

Or at least something VERY SIMILAR.

I have something called FIlm Mode, auto 1 and auto 2.

OFF, um, not a clue.

Auto 1, according to the manual, provides smoother motion than the original film based content.

Auto 2, plays original film based content AS IS.

Auto 2 is the one where I get removal of the random jerks and stutters we talked about when playing NTSC stuff, like the dreaded 23.976FPS, seemingly a nightmare for my PAL TV.

OFF and AUTO 1, I get the jerks.

Motion flow seems to do not much at all on OFF, or Auto 2.

If I use Auto 1, and then motion flow on HIGH, wow.. lol

now THATS smooth, as talked about, so smooth its near unatural and not to everybodies tastes.

it is quite freaky.

But I cant use it anyway, least not without piddling about wiv reclock or w/e, which as I said I am sure causes the odd anomoly during playback for me.

As such my option is to play PAL material, of which I have none, nor can I find any in mkv format, its all NTSC/23.976

PAL is 25.

As discussed which is a divisable of 50 or 100.

Generaly I am so confused about the entire afair I gave up and opted for auto2, original film based content AS IS.

NO jerks/stutters during playback.

But I am one for having to scratch an itch, and it is in the back of my mind and I will always be keeping my eye open for answers/options.

Redemption80 · 10-23-2009, 10:51 | posts: 2,461 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

Yep, it is essentially the same thing.

I have a similar film mode on my TV, but i never use it, as while it makes fast moving stuff smoother, a simple scene like someone walking looks like they are bouncing along, even something like someone blinking looks like their on speed.

As for finding PAL mkv's, it would have to be UK TV stuff ripped from say BBC HD, though i have came across some lovely looking 1080 HDTV rips of the Indiana Jones movies which are 25fps.
You could re-encode a 23.976 mkv to a 25fps to test if it worked, but since this would be a time consuming task which would decrease image quality, its not something that you could, or want to do regularly.

These days it isn't really about having a PAL TV, since that mostly applied to CRTs were the majority of them ran at 50hz in the UK.
With LCD's, and multiple refresh rates things have changed, and 99% of BluRay or even HD DVD sourced material will technically be NTSC.

It was something many people from PAL countries had a problem with when BluRay and HD DVD appeared a few years back, they loved the extra detail from HD, but for some the NTSC judder distracted them so much that many preffered upscaled PAL DVD to BluRay.

I jump back and forward from using 24hz and using reclock to speed up to 25 and run at 50hz, usually depending on the source, and will proabably keep doing this till i get a TV that supports say 120hz, but without using any frame interpolation modes.

Best motion i've saw was actually from running 24fps mkv's on the GF's old 4:3 LCD monitor at 72hz.

Oh, and happy 1000th post lol.

ArCElM · *Last edited by ArCElM; 10-23-2009 at 14:31.*

whos had 1000 posts ?

EDIT: Holy ****, that made me look around and I have just seen where post count is displayed, thats really worrying that it has taken me 1000 posts to actually find out where that even went..

I can;t actually believe I have never noticed this..

Today, 18:51 | posts: 1,817 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

Thats shocking.

And thanks but, tbh the fact I have made 1000 posts on an internet forum is quite depressing and will likely press me to GTFO more.

Redemption80 · 10-23-2009, 15:38 | posts: 2,461 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

HaHa, the other day my missus looked up and saw my post count, smiled and hit Alt and F4.

Alot of mine are from being bored during work lol.

N0sferatU · 10-23-2009, 16:34 | posts: 791 | Location: United States | User is Offline

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Originally Posted by Redemption80

HaHa, the other day my missus looked up and saw my post count, smiled and hit Alt and F4.

Alot of mine are from being bored during work lol.

don't feel too bad I have over 10,000 posts on two automotive message boards

rflair · *Last edited by rflair; 10-24-2009 at 04:39.*

Maybe I'm calculating something wrong, the script from the first post is just doubling frames. The basic math for any of the interpolation methods just isn't there. The script is doing what newer HDTV with 120Hz are doing, duplicating frames.

Interpolation also gives errors which are corrected by approximation algorithms, nothing like this is being done in the script or being redirected by the script

SikSlayer · 11-01-2009, 12:58 | posts: 1 | User is Offline

Does this script need adapting for a 60hz or a 120hz lcd? I know asking about a 120hz lcd may be odd, as you'd assume it already has the function itself, but I've yet to see a 30" display that does.

Additionally, are there any hopes of getting this to be GPU accelerated? My E6850 (3Ghz C2D 1333FSB) can barely handle 720p, let alone 1080p?

maple979

Ive been walking the desert trying to figure this out, I wake up swaeting in the middle of the night from a nitemare that my friend's Samsung LCD is beating my rig right now.

Ive been able to interpolate frames through my CPU, and that can only handel dvd quality. 720p struggels a bit..

Simple question, with alot of follow up

YES or NO

Can a GPU handel the MKV .264 workload for 1080p frame interpolation.

If YES
What do I need to do to to transfer the CPU drain to my GPU (Geforce 275) to interpolated frames,

If NO
What is stopping GPUs from achieving frame interpolation for 1080p and 720p MKV files that play off the hard drive?

Is it A that the software has not been created yet?

or B that the hardware of the GPU can never do it?

So far CoreAVC has been the best in off loading CPU drain onto the GPU, good great... but CoreAVC does nothing to help me interpolate frames in my vids.. only FFD show... theres no option on FFD show to enable CUDA for my GPU is there? I havent been able to find one..

If anyone has any answers or ideas or random thoughts, please shine some light. Its unbelievable that this cant be run through a GPU.

Thanks for reading my rant ,
Javier

Redemption80 · 11-02-2009, 17:50 | posts: 2,461 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

No, GPU's can't do this.

And A, there is no software for this, ffdshow would have to use Cuda in some form, and im sure the many many dev's for that wouldn't like to pick something Nvidia only, and there are already many Post Processing features that have been in ffdshow for years which destroy even i7's, and they have yet to be ported to use the GPU.

So this would have to be features added to say CoreAVC, but i doubt they would add such a feature, as alot of people think interpolating frames looks terrible.

maple979 · **Interpolation through GPUs -** 11-02-2009, 19:02 | posts: 2 | User is Offline

Redemption,

Thank you for replying, I really appreciate it. You are right about probrobly waiting for Core AVC to come up with something for this if they ever get around to it. I don’t know if you have seen the new Samsung LCDs that automatically interpolate Blu-rays and HDTV on their own, its quiet impressive. I know it looks weird at first but I started crying once I saw Dark Knight on it. It wasn't just smooth, it was 3d.. Everything was coming out of the screen. I could drop kick the joker myself it was so real. When I play dvds interpolated off my comp I get the same smoothness just not in HD... In the end it is personal preference I guess..

Still crossing my fingers GPUs can eventually decode for interpolated frames on 1080p..

Redemption80 · 11-02-2009, 20:49 | posts: 2,461 | Location: Glasgow | User is Offline

I know many people love it, and ive saw some sports and TV shows look great with it, but movies don't look right at all, its just all too fast, not saw any Samsung TV's with it, just Sony ones, also with DVD's and 720p movies with this script, i also don't like it.

Would love the smoothness, but without ruining the natural speed, as its hard not to get distracted when people start blinking too fast, fast moving action scenes look great, but slow or normal speed stuff becomes too fast, but as you said, each to their own.

Its either due to the amount of people who dislike it, or maybe the TV manufacturers would rather it wasn't something that we could do with software, but even though i wouldn't use it often, its something that would be great if added to CoreAVC, but considering how long i've been waiting for the 64bit version of that, i'm not holding my breath.

maxpower85 · 11-09-2009, 13:34 | posts: 9 | Location: Quebec | User is Offline

Look at http://www.mirillis.com/picture2.html

Splash Player is coming soon with the Motion² technology.

For now just Splash PLayer Lite is available

http://www.mirillis.com/splash.html