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better to do 3 sets of push ups(each set being 35 Pushups)OR many as possible at once
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Default better to do 3 sets of push ups(each set being 35 Pushups)OR many as possible at once - 01-26-2006, 23:54 | posts: 857

to those health / Exercise experts...

Is it better to do 3 sets of push ups(each set being 35 Pushups)OR as many as possible at once?

I currently do 3 sets...same thing for situps
   
 
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Default 01-26-2006, 23:58 | posts: 2,993 | Location: There.... Right there i tell ya...

If u want to go for mass u do power lifting (as much weight as u can lift, with a few repetitions), if u want to tone your muscles then u do more repetitions at low kg, so i guess the same principles apply to pushups.
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 00:20 | posts: n/a

My advice is to do like 6 sets as many as you can do as fast as you can do them. I would also recommend doing a set of crunches after every two sets of push-ups. So.....two sets push-ups, one set crunches,..three times.
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 00:44 | posts: 399 | Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

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to those health / Exercise experts...

Is it better to do 3 sets of push ups(each set being 35 Pushups)OR as many as possible at once?

I currently do 3 sets...same thing for situps
It all depends on how much of your muscles are broken down after exercising. Do too little exercise and your muscles don't break down much and thus don't build up much. Do too much and your muscles won't fully heal and you actually can become weaker.

A problem is that if you do something fairly easy on your muscles but for a long duration you'll run out of energy, without breaking down your muscles and not getting stronger. (Ex. pushups 20+) This will improve muscle tone and endurance, but it won't make you too much stronger. Much more beneficial is benchpressing.

I recommend doing 2 sets of 35, and on the 3rd go all out. You really can't do something like that every day though. If you're sore for more than 2 days after excercising you have to cut back. Going as fast as possible isn't necessarily the best. Going down and up slowing could be a good idea. You must be consistant in what you do, like don't do pushups faster one day than another. You also have to keep increasing the amount of pushups you do, like go up to 40 in a week or 2.

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Default 01-27-2006, 01:16 | posts: n/a

The faster the better...http://www.fitness.com/fitness_exerc...php...although don't do it carlessly or haphazardly.....I would go into a whole shpeil cuz I know what I'm talking about but I gotta go to bed so if you wanna be sore and not see any gain then do what detective dip**** says and do it slow.......but if you are trying to bulk up then benching is what you want to do but you didn't ask about that so I didn't say anything about it .....one of the purposes of rapid lifting is to train and condition an athlete or yourself to generate maximum force at higher and higher movement speeds....thus getting stronger and building muscle.....but like I said don't do it as fast as greased lightning, don't be dumb about it just do it fast...period.
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 01:33 | posts: 399 | Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

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detective dip****
**** You *******. I was only trying to help.

I guess you've never heard of doing negatives, which is what a lot of heavy lifters do.

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Default 01-27-2006, 02:03 | posts: 2,899 | Location: Houston, TX

Id go with what khenglish said, slow consistent sets of push ups will tone you if thats what you want, I am starting to do that myself.
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 02:24 | posts: 399 | Location: Saratoga Springs, NY

I was slightly wrong though. Only going down slow is supposed to be very good for you.

The idea of exploding upward is the basic idea of powercleans, where you lift the bar off the ground to your chest as fast as possible. Fast stuff really stresses good form and a lot of people don't like it. The most common stuff like benchpressing and squating are moderately paced, and can be very slow on higher weights.

A lot of it depends on what you like to do and if it's working.
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 02:37 | posts: 2,522 | Location: North Carolina, USA

Do three sets and do each set to failure, no matter how many reps it takes. The only way to make gains doing push ups is to take them to failure.

Do that 3 nights a week, say....Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

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Default 01-27-2006, 02:50 | posts: 4,272 | Location: Australia

I used to do pushups alot. First I'd do as many as I could which was 100 pushups, then the next set 40 or 50 and then a last set of 40.

I recommend doing the first set as much as you can and then the second and third set till you can't do anymore. Also, have a protein shake after.
   
 
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Default wow... - 01-27-2006, 02:50 | posts: 857

thanks guys...

that was alot of good advice...

any of you run AND do pushups/situps? if so whats your routine?
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 03:03 | posts: 531 | Location: Down South Y'All

I am by no means, an athlete. But, I do have a bad back, and I have to take physical therapy for the rest of my life.

My trainer tells me that lots of routine of small workouts will help shape and move the muscles better. Thats what I do. Supposedly, a complete drain-out will strain muscles instead of build 'em.
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 03:04 | posts: 2,522 | Location: North Carolina, USA

I lift weights 4 to 5 days a week at the gym. I used to run about 5 years ago, but if I run now I get over-trained, so I just lift weights. My sessions are rather intense, so I don't have the energy left over for aerobics.

The combinatin of running and push-ups is good though, but I'd add some chin-ups for your back as well.

As long as the intensity is right (you don't get out of breath) it is safe to run everyday. Only anaerobic excercise should be done every other day if training the same muscle group in low volume.

For instance, M-W-F, do three sets up pull-ups to failure super-setted with three sets of push ups to failure (one set at a time of course ) then jog for about 20 minutes or so afterwards. On T-Th-S, run for 30 minutes perhaps.
You don't need much more than that.

That will give you 2 1/2 hours a week of aerobics which is plenty.

Oh yeah, don't forget your stomach. Do some crunches too
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 03:08 | posts: n/a

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thanks guys...

that was alot of good advice...

any of you run AND do pushups/situps? if so whats your routine?
I just got up to use the lav. and decided to check out this thread....knew I'd get responses after my comment but that's exactly what I intended.

I run 3-5 miles Mon, Wed, and Fri night right after work. I lift quads/back/biceps on Tue,.... Hamstrings/chest/triceps on Thur,.....and Calves/shouldr/traps/delts on Saturday since it's my day off and I have longer time to pump without having to hurry for other things. I don't take any supplements and I eat vegetables, chicken, fish and drink whatever the hell I want to.....the end

Sorry for sounding rude earlier, I was just tired.
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 03:34 | posts: 4,272 | Location: Australia

Hey Jammer, cool exercise routine you got there

I walk instead of run because running can jar your knees but I also do weights. I pretty much exercise everyday and just have a protein shake. I find the protein helps me but I also eat lots of chicken, fish and veg and fruit.
I still get pizza once a week and eat not so good food, you gotta treat yourself to some tasty food sometimes.
   
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Hey Jammer.... you gotta treat yourself to some tasty food sometimes.
Most definitely
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 18:19 | posts: 585 | Location: 0hio

hmmm work out 3 times a week run 1 mile + 4 times a week( hey im getting there ) and go to swim practice 6 days a week
   
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Default 01-27-2006, 19:20 | posts: 2,522 | Location: North Carolina, USA

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...you gotta treat yourself to some tasty food sometimes.
Healthy food is tasty

j/k

I know what you mean, but ain't no way I am wasting my hard work at the gym by eating junk...

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Default 01-27-2006, 19:33 | posts: 2,522 | Location: North Carolina, USA

In regards to fast vs slow, it is best to vary, but doing slower negatives than positives is the best way to go overall. Go down as slow as you can (atleast a 2-3 count negative) with a slight pause at the bottom and up as fast as you can. Going slow takes kinetic inertia out of the movement and stresses the muscles more since your muscles have to power you up without momentum. It will take a little practice to get the rythym right, but it is worth it in the long run.

Of course, to shock your muscles, it is good to rep out as many as you can as quick as you can, but only do that when you are testing yourself to find your 'max' number of pushups or need to alleviate boredom.
   
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Default anybody... - 02-04-2006, 17:34 | posts: 857

I forgot to mention that I do situps with my legs resting on a couch...so its kinda like having my legs in the air...

I hear this works the muscles a bit more?

should I vary this with regular sit ups?
   
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Default 06-13-2006, 20:44 | posts: 623 | Location: At Chipotle

Well, however outdated this topic might be now, its still of some use.

I personally would recomend doing the situps with your legs in the air because then it works both the upper and lower sections of the abs. My workout routine is fairly simple, doing 5 sets of pushups, then 5 sets of pullups, the 5 sets of crunches the way I stated above, all with 1:30 inbetween each set and inbetween switching exercises. Then I do whatever I need to do for my xc training later in the day so that I have some recovery time. Running does not jar the knees unless your running form is so bad that you stomp the ground and someone 30-40ft away can hear your steps. For pushups, I personally go slow because going to fast you don't know how good your form is, and it does work the muscles more because your spending more time doing work, consequently more work is done. Also, doing sets to completion is not the only way to build muscle while doing pushups. I used to do 20 sets of a relatively low number of pushups, and even if I couldn't do all 20 sets at the number of reps I wanted, the next week I would be able to do more. If there's any other questions or discrepencies, I'll be sure the check this thread again.
   
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Default 06-13-2006, 21:17 | posts: n/a

better to mix it up actually, so that your body doesnt get used to the routine and thus gets maximum benifit.

As many at once would be a burn out set, doing it in sets is a set.


Try to raise the number you do in a set over time, also make sure you do the motion slowly especially the lowering part (aka the negative lift)\

My crudentials for those of you who are new are:

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and of course my various activities like XC runner, track, wrestling ect ect.

I have learned alot over time, more than once you learn somthing then learn the opposite so what I know as of now is a composit of everything combined. I focus on proper form to maximize benifits and lower risk of injury or body damage to the smallest percent.

With these calisthenics you need that negative lift to keep the muscles in balance, since your not doing oposing exercises also the negative is your weakest point so you always want to stregthen the weakest link in a chain.

It would be like doing bi's and not tri's in this case it would be doing your chest and not your back mostly and to a smaller extent your tri's and not your bi's.

Hand position matters, wider = more chest narrow = more tricepts.

I like to mix it up with both.

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Default 06-13-2006, 21:43 | posts: 11,538 | Location: North

OK, you guys need to decide what you're gonna use that summer-thread for. Cause reviving an old thread just to brag about your workouts again, is just plain unnecessary. Capisce? Reviving a 4 months old thread at all to answer something.... I'm sure dope18 appreciates it, finally some answers!
   
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