New ivy build + need help on building

head · *Last edited by head; 04-25-2012 at 18:56.*

Ok guys, I would like to build a new pc with an IB cpu in it.
They don't sell it yet in belgium but when they do ill buy one, here is the list.

CPU: 3570K (around 220 i hope)

CPU COOLER: Noctua NH-U12P SE2 (€ 64,90)

RAM: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit (€ 97,90)

MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H (€ 144,90)

CASE: CM Storm Trooper (€ 139,90)

PSU: I have no idea what to buy here, help!!

Storage: Samsung 1TB HD103SJ € 79,90 + Intel® 120GB 330Series (€ 134,90)

GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7870 GHZ Edition (€ 339)

I mainly play games (call of duty 2/4, League of Legends, Starcraft 2) will prob play borderlands 2 if its out.

Questions:
- I have no idea what PSU I should take.
- The case i picked now looks nice but is kinda expensive, maybe a cheaper pick?
- The GPU, don't wanna go overkill but on the other hand I don't want to upgrade in a year.
- I picked 16GB but will change to 8GB if the pc becomes to expensive.
- The cpu cooler, IB runs pretty hot I hear but would like to do a 4.4ghz overclock or something.

pc without power supply is 1218 EURO so will prob have change a few things to keep the price low.

any suggestions?

i am buying from the following shops:
www.alternate.be
www.forcom.be

alternate is bigger and has cheaper prices.

UPDATE ON POST 11

clawhamer · 04-24-2012, 22:01 | posts: 1,544 | Location: eastcoast.ca

Link for where you’re picking the parts from? It will help us see what is available and compare prices between different units.

My recommendation for psu:

Corsair AX650 – Gold certified, modular, strong single 12v rail, 7 year warranty
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139035

It’s never a good idea to cheap out on the psu and case.. get the best you can afford.

head · 04-25-2012, 11:28 | posts: 172 | Location: belgium

Quote:

Originally Posted by clawhamer

Link for where you’re picking the parts from? It will help us see what is available and compare prices between different units.

My recommendation for psu:

Corsair AX650 – Gold certified, modular, strong single 12v rail, 7 year warranty
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139035

It’s never a good idea to cheap out on the psu and case.. get the best you can afford.

updated my post, thanks for the psu.

Frohman0905 · 04-25-2012, 11:53 | posts: 939 | Location: Belgium

Get the CM 690II Advanced! I bought myself a new pc over a month ago and was also having my doubts on which case to pick. Someone here recommended me the CM690 and I went for it. I have to say, I love this case! It has 3 pre-installed fans (1 intake, 2 outtake) with room for 7 more! It keeps everything at a very acceptable temp.

I also bought my stuff at alternate

Pretty cheap for Belgium and great customer service.

Darren Hodgson · 04-25-2012, 13:07 | posts: 9,701 | Location: England

I'd recommend getting the best case and PSU you can afford as those are things that can last through several upgrades. The worst thing you can do is buy a cheap, small case with poor cooling and then struggle to cool your hardware.

I'd recommend at least a 750W PSU in case you decide to opt for a more powerful graphics card. Even if you don't need or use that much power, you'll be putting less strain on the PSU, it will run cooler and last longer. Make sure you buy a modular PSU as well to reduce the amount of cabling which in turn aids air flow inside your case.

TechFreaK · 04-25-2012, 13:40 | posts: 155 | Location: TechLand

Go with full "8 thread" version.

IB has improved HT, so it can make a difference in the near future.

IPlayNaked · 04-25-2012, 14:17 | posts: 6,559

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechFreaK

Go with full "8 thread" version.

IB has improved HT, so it can make a difference in the near future.

Definitely don't do that. First off, I've seen nothing about improved hyperthreading, but even if its the case, what game is making use of that? An i5 anything is going to max out games for a while yet.

IB or not is your choice. Personally, I'd go with a Sandy bridge chip which you can definitely get for cheaper and then pair it with a slightly better video card. I think that would give you a far improved experience.

TechFreaK · 04-25-2012, 16:39 | posts: 155 | Location: TechLand

@IplayNaked.

Then you didnt look hard enough..

- no restrictions
- improved pipeline, more executions per cycle.

Quote:

Some structures within the chip are now better optimized for single threaded execution. Hyper Threading requires a bunch of partitioning of internal structures (e.g. buffers/queues) to allow instructions from multiple threads to use those structures simultaneously. In Sandy Bridge, many of those structures are statically partitioned. If you have a buffer that can hold 20 entries, each thread gets up to 10 entries in the buffer. In the event of a single threaded workload, half of the buffer goes unused. Ivy Bridge reworks a number of these data structures to dynamically allocate resources to threads. Now if there's only a single thread active, these structures will dedicate all resources to servicing that thread. One such example is the DSB queue that serves the uOp cache mentioned above. There's a lookup mechanism for putting uOps into the cache. Those requests are placed into the DSB queue, which used to be split evenly between threads. In Ivy Bridge the DSB queue is allocated dynamically to one or both threads.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4830/i...ture-exposed/2

If i were you Head i would go with full version, you can always disable HT and enable that extra boost when needed. But that's just me, idk i would feel ripped off going with crippled version.

GL with your purchase

sykozis · *Last edited by sykozis; 04-29-2012 at 00:24.*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darren Hodgson

I'd recommend getting the best case and PSU you can afford as those are things that can last through several upgrades. The worst thing you can do is buy a cheap, small case with poor cooling and then struggle to cool your hardware.

Truer words couldn't be posted.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by head

Ok so an other update / question.

I read that IB cpu's aren't really good overclockers and I don't really want to push it but a 4.5ghz overclock would be nice, do you think that is possible?

The ssd question, intel 330 or curcial m4 or samsung one.

The motherboard, this is a very tricky question, I don't want SLI / CF, what mobo do you guys suggest?

The build without cpu/mobo is 880 euros, on what could I save some money?

kind regards
head

An SSD from either of the 3 would be a good choice. I'd go with whichever is cheaper from them at this point.

IB should get to 4.4ghz just fine. If your primary concern is gaming, I'd stick with an i5 as you won't be making use of HT in gaming any time soon.

head · 04-25-2012, 16:36 | posts: 172 | Location: belgium

Well its not that i don't want HT but its 100euro more for an i7 and i don't think the little performance increase it worth the 100 euro.

The reason why i go IB instead of SB is cuz according to shops in the netherlands an IB i5 is around 220 euro, the SB i5 is around 180 euro. 40 euro for pci e / usb 3 / less power use is worth it for me.

I understand that IB gets hot real fast when you up the voltage but I doubt that i will overclock it to the limit, maybe a 4.4ghz or something.

will add an updated list, thanks for all the input btw

ivan.winata · 04-25-2012, 16:45 | posts: 406 | Location: Earth

drop the SSD and go for 7950. I think its better to have better GFX than faster boot and loading time.

head · 04-25-2012, 18:55 | posts: 172 | Location: belgium

Thanks again for your input.

Everybody is talking about how great those SSD's are so I kinda want one in my new pc xD

I added a new powersupply + switched up the case to a cheaper one but according to Frohman0905 its a very good one.

I plan to overclock to around 4.4ghz I checked online and it should be possible on stock voltage without getting to hot, so I switched in the cooler for a cheaper one.

The grafic card issue, I know that the 7950 is better and my original plan was to buy a 7950 but when they came out the prices were high, a bit to high for me. The 7870 is cheaper but according to some reviews I can overclock it a bit and im on the same lvl as a 7950 card.

The problem i have now is the motherboard, since I am going for IB I need a z77 mobo to make use of all the features. Help me pick a motherboard plz

http://www.alternate.be/html/categor...ount=6&bfbox=1 on the top you can pick "ATX & Z77 chip"

Friend of me says I should go for an ASRock Z77 Extreme6

Crash · 04-26-2012, 02:15 | posts: 57 | Location: Asia Pacific

hmm if u want my opinion dont buy Sapphire card,i know they are the cheapest but they are pretty much oem stuff,does not overclock well,short lifespan,go for gigabyte or something

automaticman · 04-26-2012, 05:29 | posts: 664 | Location: Orange County, CA

Yeah after having used an SSD I'd have an awful hard time going back to a mechanical drive.

head · 04-29-2012, 00:04 | posts: 172 | Location: belgium

Ok so an other update / question.

I read that IB cpu's aren't really good overclockers and I don't really want to push it but a 4.5ghz overclock would be nice, do you think that is possible?

The ssd question, intel 330 or curcial m4 or samsung one.

The motherboard, this is a very tricky question, I don't want SLI / CF, what mobo do you guys suggest?

The build without cpu/mobo is 880 euros, on what could I save some money?

kind regards
head

deltatux · 04-29-2012, 03:48 | posts: 18,773 | Location: Toronto, Canada

HT is better with heavily threaded environments like physics simulations, Adobe AfterEffects, video transcoding and etc. It's not really used in day-to-day applications and most games.

deltatux

MrH · 04-29-2012, 14:37 | posts: 1,530 | Location: UK

4.5GHz seems to be the "cool" overclock, past that you need too much vcore and the temps rise rapidly. Personally I'm fine with 4.5GHz, and that's what I'll aim for when my CPU arrives on Tuesday.

head · *Last edited by head; 04-29-2012 at 22:00.*

Ok so will go 3570K + Mugen rev 2 cooler, what would be a stable motherboard so i can overclock a bit and can run my ssd without problems?

no SLI/CF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adEHDhGH4SA

sykozis · 04-29-2012, 22:03 | posts: 13,493 | Location: US East Coast

Most of the Z77 motherboards look to be pretty solid. Intel appears to have left little room for board makers to screw things up as bad as they usually do.

head · 05-01-2012, 01:13 | posts: 172 | Location: belgium

Ok so will order the pc in NL because they have more / cheaper parts.

1290 euro in total

Should i buy some Arctic Silver 5 Premium Silver?

Do you think I should change something or is this build fine.

sykozis · 05-01-2012, 01:23 | posts: 13,493 | Location: US East Coast

That build looks fine.

Mind if I ask why you chose the Extreme6 instead of the cheaper Extreme4?? Just curious.

head · *Last edited by head; 05-01-2012 at 01:42.*

Quote:

Originally Posted by sykozis

That build looks fine.

Mind if I ask why you chose the Extreme6 instead of the cheaper Extreme4?? Just curious.

I honestly no have idea, I was checking around for a good motherboard and its all so confusing, google helps but didn't really find a good med end motherboard review.

What motherboard do you suggest that would fit with my configuration and whats the difference with the asrock extreme 6.

head

thatguy91 · 05-01-2012, 09:44 | posts: 2,763 | Location: Australia

One of the main advantages of the Extreme6 over the Extreme4 is the mosfet heatsinks. The Extreme6 has a much better cooling system which could potentially prove advantageous when overclocking. It also have a few other features you may not need though, including a floppy connector (seems a strange thing to have).

head · *Last edited by head; 05-01-2012 at 10:31.*

So should i switch it up for the cheaper extreme4 or is the extreme6 worth the extra money?

Are there any other suggestions / problems you see with this build, i rather hear all the criticism now because if its bought its bought and i can't just return it.

head · *Last edited by head; 05-02-2012 at 23:07.*

Ok so this is the final version incl second gpu for my old pc + monitor.

http://i46.tinypic.com/ws6vx5.jpg

The questions I have are, should i watch out for something when im building this pc?

I picked low profile ram, the cpu cooler will not block the ram or the heatsink on the motherboard?

i picked a 7870 asus, should I pick the cheaper extreme 4 motherboard and spend that money on a asus 7950 card?

Thank you for all your help

kind regards
head