Defrag Question

dchalf10 · *Last edited by dchalf10; 07-04-2011 at 05:16.*

Ok so I just got a second HDD for gaming and uninstalled all my games ( like 300gb ) and after reinstalling them on my new gaming drive, running CCleaner and deleting shadow files etc and running a full defrag my primary drive, although not fragmented has files stores in many different places, how do I 'bunch' them up on the first part of the HDD. ( the blue non fragmented files ) that are sporadic ).

The reason I ask is because I want to create a partition without losing those random files on the latter part of the drive.

Do I need a new program or is there something I am missing. I'm using Defraggler btw.

Here is my defragged driver after uninstalling 300gb of games.

The only fragmented files are the two red squared, the yellow ones are page files.

As you can see, almost no fragmentation, but lots of sporadic file locations. I want to move those files...

Xtreme1979 · 07-04-2011, 06:59 | posts: 1,225 | Location: Bay City, MI

Try defragging free space.
http://www.piriform.com/docs/defragg...ace-on-a-drive

dchalf10 · 07-04-2011, 07:02 | posts: 4,044

Thanks for the response, Will do that now. It's basically videos and game backup files etc that are obviously not moved so after moving I will have more space free to make a larger partition and then I can transfer them onto the partition, defrag again and voila, more free spare on primary partition and faster future defrags.

Cheers

DesGaizu · 07-04-2011, 12:01 | posts: 1,893 | Location: UK

You need to consolidate free space, im not sure if defraggler has that option, a lot of other defrag programs do.

TruMutton_200Hz · 07-04-2011, 12:49 | posts: 2,756 | Location: Belgium

If you're worried about the speed of the defragging itself, I suggest using Diskeeper 2011. That way defragging takes only about zero seconds.

dchalf10 · 07-04-2011, 18:26 | posts: 4,044

I'll suss it out, I did defrag via the option in the link above for defraggler and it did move a lot of the unfraggmented files to the start of the HDD but not all of them. I'll run it again tomorrow after doing another shadow file removal etc and see what happens, it that doesn't work, I'll try the other program.

I'm just glad I have my games on my other HDD. Now I can run full defrag while gaming, it used to be one or the other due to HDD bottlenecking...

TruMutton_200Hz · 07-04-2011, 19:14 | posts: 2,756 | Location: Belgium

Actually, Diskeeper 2011 can automatically defrag all of your harddisks at the same time, including the one on which you've installed the game you're playing, WHILE you're playing it, WITHOUT slowing down your system performance in any way.

Also, to move files which cannot be moved by Defraggler, try DiskTrix Ultimate Defrag. It not only lets you do that but at the same time also lets you manually place files. This comes in handy because the outermost zones of a harddisk offer almost twice the sustained read speed of its innermost zones.

IcE · 07-05-2011, 02:54 | posts: 6,991 | Location: Toledo, Ohio

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Originally Posted by TruMutton_200Hz

Actually, Diskeeper 2011 can automatically defrag all of your harddisks at the same time, including the one on which you've installed the game you're playing, WHILE you're playing it, WITHOUT slowing down your system performance in any way.

Also, to move files which cannot be moved by Defraggler, try DiskTrix Ultimate Defrag. It not only lets you do that but at the same time also lets you manually place files. This comes in handy because the outermost zones of a harddisk offer almost twice the sustained read speed of its innermost zones.

You have the biggest love affair with Diskeeper, it's really funny considering most of the "technology" behind it is smoke and mirrors.

TruMutton_200Hz · 07-05-2011, 13:51 | posts: 2,756 | Location: Belgium

^ I have the biggest love affair with innovative products that live up to their promises. Occasionally that means I have to pay the price premium for them (the Lian Li PC-P80N case and the Thermalright Archon CPU aircooler with a second TY-140 fan) or even wait for them to be released until all hell freezes over (the Asus GTX 580 ROG MATRIX Platinum cards and, especially, the EVGA P67 FTW motherboard in Europe) but at least that's what's helping to prevent other companies from just sitting there while thriving on hopelessly antiquated technology and over-marketeering. If I really thought Diskeeper were all the way perfect then please explain why I would still also be bothering with DiskTrix Ultimate Defrag.

dchalf10 · 07-07-2011, 05:01 | posts: 4,044

delete I am an idiot.... I made a new partition on the wrong f-ing drive.

Surely you'd think windows would put the primary drive at the top ( my fault for not reading, but still.... )

scheherazade · 07-07-2011, 16:26 | posts: 1,914 | Location: NOVA

The quickest way to defrag is to copy everything off of X partition, [quick] format X partition, and copy everything back to X partition.

If it's your windows drive, I just make an image of it, and restore that image right back on top of the partition.

Files are written contiguously, so this basically moves them off and moves them back in one solid block.

Disk image utilities are file system aware (they only copy files, not empty raw space), so they don't reproduce the raw block level scattering of the original drive that you took the image from.

Defrag takes forever because it moves stuff around 20 times before it places it where it wants it to go. Thrashes your drive, slow as grass growing, and the results are still not as tightly packed as with a double-copy.

-scheherazade

Pill Monster · 07-07-2011, 22:45 | posts: 20,464 | Location: NZ

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Originally Posted by dchalf10

delete I am an idiot.... I made a new partition on the wrong f-ing drive.

Surely you'd think windows would put the primary drive at the top ( my fault for not reading, but still.... )

That drive is fragmented because the files aren't contiguous, it even says in your report that you have 1% fragmentation.
That prob doesn't sound like much but that's 1% of your HDD capacity, which is 1.3TB.
So you're actually looking at about 10GB total fragmentation.

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Originally Posted by TruMutton_200Hz

Actually, Diskeeper 2011 can automatically defrag all of your harddisks at the same time, including the one on which you've installed the game you're playing, WHILE you're playing it, WITHOUT slowing down your system performance in any way.

Also, to move files which cannot be moved by Defraggler, try DiskTrix Ultimate Defrag. It not only lets you do that but at the same time also lets you manually place files. This comes in handy because the outermost zones of a harddisk offer almost twice the sustained read speed of its innermost zones.

All of the features you just mentioned can be found on just about any decent defragger, they aren't exclusive to Diskeeper...
And sorry but if you believe Diskeeper can defrag all 6 of my drives simultaneously without affecting performance, then I'll tell you how to find the Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow.....

TruMutton_200Hz · 07-08-2011, 15:43 | posts: 2,756 | Location: Belgium

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Originally Posted by Pill Monster

All of the features you just mentioned can be found on just about any decent defragger, they aren't exclusive to Diskeeper...

No, but InvisiTasking is (which was my whole point, actually).

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Originally Posted by Pill Monster

And sorry but if you believe Diskeeper can defrag all 6 of my drives simultaneously without affecting performance, then I'll tell you how to find the Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow.....

I'm currently using it in automatic defrag mode on my laptop's intermal 320 GB Western Digital drive, my 1.5 TB external Samsung Spinpoint F2 drive via eSATA, my two external 1.5 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 drives via USB 2.0 and my external 1 TB Western Digital Elements drive via USB 2.0 also. I would hook up a sixth drive if I could but I ran out of USB ports as I don't have an USB hub lying around. All of my drives are being automatically defragmented simultaneously and there are no system slowdowns. None whatsoever. Come again?

maleficarus™ · 07-07-2011, 16:32 | posts: 3,587 | Location: Toronto, Canada

Is there any reason why you guys like to add a partition? I can't think of any myself...

scheherazade · 07-07-2011, 22:29 | posts: 1,914 | Location: NOVA

I do at least an OS partition, so I can reinstall my OS without having to re-do the rest of the system.

Note that I have an image of a fresh OS install, with my basic programs installed [on another partition] (image taken AFTER apps installed).
It's 5 minutes to roll back to a clean OS with no other work to do.

-scheherazade

IcE · 07-07-2011, 23:32 | posts: 6,991 | Location: Toledo, Ohio

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Originally Posted by maleficarus™

Is there any reason why you guys like to add a partition? I can't think of any myself...

It used to be useful for me, as it made reinstalling Windows without having to backup all my hundreds of gigs of stuff much easier. But now that I have a SSD as my boot drive, I don't need to bother anymore.