8GB RAM with NO PAGEFILE CLUB or TOPIC (lol)

i hate pagefile!! cant disable mine

 

Why not?

 

Wont let me...ive tried all the walkthrus just wont work

 

You're using Vista x64, right? How much RAM do you have? Your specs don't have that info filled in.

 

8gb X64

 

Hm. What exactly does happen when you try to disable it? Do you get any error messages?

 

Have you got admin rights?

 

Yeah...least i think i do

 

when i disabled mine vista would act strange so to be safe i let the OS manage it and no problems.

 

Untrue
The page file can and does hold data that the system can use to "heal" certain sectors which were in mid write.
Despite what many people think, windows does a very adequate job of optimizing memory use. The HD use is for the users protection.

The best option is to set a set sized page file.
Set the upper and lower limit to the same size, such as 4gb ( people with 8gb ram rarely have a hard drive space problem ).
The main "grinding" of the hard drive used in paging operations are the resizing of the page file, not the access.
This will give you the greatest speed benefit, and windows will only access it as needed ABOVE the 8gb ram OR in case it needs to for redundancy reason.

PS: Im a software engineer for IBM storage division

 

Just to sidetrack for second, are you saying that if the high/low sizes are the same (which I also agree is the best method btw..) that the PF won't be accessed until that amount of system RAM has been used up?

 

Not exactly (although my post implied just that )
It will use the HD when the maximum amount of ram the process needs is used.
More often than not the process will not be able to use the whole 8 gb.
This is not only due to 32 vs 64 bit applications, but due to mapping constraints in the software itself.
The program itself might be programmed to use only a certain amount of memory due to its own limitations , whether as designed by the programmer or due to laziness of aforementioned programmer.

 

Erm, I'm not sure.. Either you don't understand me or I don't understand you.

If you have disabled your pagefile, all the data is stored in your RAM, right? You sort of have the pagefile you usually have on your harddisk stored in RAM, right? So if your PC crashes all that data is instantly lost, cos the RAM is completely erased after power off or system reboot...

 

good point :gape:

 

Listen, at the time when I finished studying my OS courses in Uni, win2k was the bleeding edge OS, not readily accepted and considered too gaudy by many ( sounds familiar? ).

My suggestion , as a storage so called expert ( which I am not, I just work in the field ):
Dont believe me.
Dont believe self claiming experts or hearsay or even expert forums.
Always go to the horses mouth and read and reread the whitepapers and tech docs and find out for yourself.
a good place to start:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314482
http://search.techrepublic.com.com/search/microsoft+windows+and+paging.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889654
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/understanding-windows-vista-paging-file-size/

Specifically make sure you use microsofts database. Even though they are an evil empire, they did write the OS. They usually know best

 

I did not mean to go by their suggestions.
I meant read the way the system works.
And construct your own methods.
But the constant risk of any hacker or developer for that matter is assumptions.
We assume so many things and base out actions on them we sometimes do more harm then good.
the reading material I sent was meant to give more info as to how to better optimize performance, not to give you someone elses opinion of what is right.
This is a gurus forum, you are supposed to figure out the best way to overcharge your OS and hardware.
Just do it based on real information.

 

Is there a way to restore data from ur PAGEFILE?

and i never had a problem about LOST DATA...theories theories theories. i myself dont know how THINGS work in Vista 64 OLS. i mean game fişles loads to RAm and u play. then ur pc shutdown..what u expect? restore game files?

U work on a word file..u were writing on it then pc shutdown....what u expect? word default setup takes backup file and its mostly in , where u created ur file..not RAM..or not PF...PF is same as RAM but on HDD...and if ur WORD file desnt have a backup file(if u disable from options in word) there is no way to take it back after a shutdown. even if u have 1TB pagefile, u r not going to able to restore so MY opinion is: the thing u r talking about is nonsense. pls do not take offense...just my opinion which cant reflect reality.

 

You are right. It doesnt reflect reality
Vista has a new thing called self healing ntfs.
Basically, NTFS, as compared to other file systems, has a very good chance to restore data in case of power loss. As opposed to ram.
That is why most programs choose to write much of their data on the hard drive ( see posts further up ).
So, when you lose power, yes many game files and data can be saved. It is done automatically by the system often, but more often than not by chkdsk.

Self healing ntfs does it in the background on vista and server 2008 , and without even unmounting the volume ( a wonder of technology really IMO ).
Read more about it :
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc771388.aspx

and the basics of NTFS ( which is why xp -> vista use ntfs and not fat32 which is marginally faster ) :
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/ntfs/over.htm