New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's

I see what you are saying but AMD is just gaining ground. Barring bugs or glitches Nvidia is not loosing performance in DX12.

Look here.


Top card 9Tflop
Fury X 8.6 Tflop
TX 7Tflop
1070 6.5
980Ti 6.4
fury 7.2 ? this one makes no sense


This is what I am saying.

 

the 480 IS NOT a 1440p card, why people insist on benchmarking that res is beyond me. Some games, obviously it will be fine for 1440p, but its still not a 1440p card.

of course they are going to gain ground, the api is new, drivers are going to improve on iteration.

Theoretically so should nvidia provided they don't hit a performance wall.

why would they lose performance?

not sure what you are getting at here.

dont forget AMD has a lot more experience in low level APIs than nvidia does, so it stands to reason they are going to get early performance increase leads.

TFLOP performance doesn't really have a direct correlation to game performance. It depends on the specific game's workload types. General reletivistic performance, sure, but not specific games.

I guess im not sure what you are getting at in your last post.

 

I use 1440 in that case to cause the bottleneck to be a GPU in all situations. Not because I think the 480 is a QHD card (though AMD claims it is).

If you do not see the pattern in that bench I have nothing for you.

 

i see a single game where you are making the point that it appears the fury is underperforming based on its stated TFLOP level. The fury-x certainly isnt underperforming.

is that the case for all games?

of course not.

Workload types matter. TFLOP is compute performance. there are other factors to consider.

 

I used that game as it seems to be the most un-bias game


*I don't believe this has the latest patch with A-sync


I realize there are other factors pixel fill rate and memory bandwidth. But Tflop is a good general performance figure.

 

seems fine in hitman, tomb raider is known to have issues with AMD (the rumor is DX12 is just a wrapper like talos)

like i said though, different games, different workloads.

 

Warhammer and Hitman are wrappers too iirc.

AoS is the only built ground up DX12 bench I know of. Soon we will have a new futuremark bench.

Actually looking at Hitman that may have shown my point better.

 

its really too early to make these kinds of statements definitively. We need more true dx12/vulcan games.

my original point was that architectural differences play a big part in dx11 versus dx12 performance.

Fury pro weirdness aside.

 

I agree with that. I'm ready to see some not only full DX12/Vulcan games. I'm also ready for fully compatible DX12 cards.

 

fairly sure rx480 is fully 12_1 compliant.

 

No! No bets!

I know. I did the huge DX11 driver overhead thread in here and it was a mess. AMD sure had a DX11 driver problem, but as The Mac says, it's more of an issue of a hardware architecture from a point on.

It doesn't. DX11 has VERY LIMITED multi-threading that nobody is really using. Only a single core at a time is submitting to the GPU. The main difference is:

The problem is that NVIDIA's architecture is not really friendly to multiple workloads. It's a design perfected for the DX11 era. AMD has suffered earlier because their design was meant to get the next consoles, and it couldn't be that restricted. The R&D budget thing is pulled out of its hair also, since AMD is cooperating directly with companies like SONY, Microsoft and Nintendo, and they not only have a GPU design that is the industry standard at this point, but their APIs are too.

 

^ Ah thanks for that. I like layman terms.

Nope same feature level as GCN1.1 and 1.2.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_levels_in_Direct3D#Direct3D_12

 

i dont really consider wikipedia an official source, but unfortunately i have no other sources to the contrary other than my recollection of what i read.

 

No feature level updates since 2nd generation, it's still 12_0:

 

a lack of a bullet point is not exactly definitive, but whatever...

 

In my opinion it is considering the whole point of that was to highlight what's new.

 

i guess...

 

Do you want an AMD slide saying, "We still do not support concervitive rasterization tier 1."

Yeah that will sell cards.

 

i get it...

 

AMD would sure make a point to say it about 12_1. On the other hand, Maxwell supports 12_1 but it doesn't get the new TR patch. Other things matter much more apparently.