7950 Vapor-X OC Boost vs. MSI 660 Ti Power Edition

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  1. natukiss

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    Im spending my money on this and i dont want to be disappointed with the performance...the 660 ti PE can run everything on 1920x1080?
     
  2. yasamoka

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    Ummm I'm sure the OP was refering the TYPE of games he likes to play. I'd think those are not the only games he plays except if he likes to replay his games for the coming generations.

    Neat cherry picking you got there, dude. Those 2-4FPS really make a difference in THOSE games. MEANWHILE:

    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/647?vs=645

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    Crysis Warhead: AVG FPS: 24 vs. 32.2 - a difference of 34.17%
    Crysis Warhead: MIN FPS: 16.2 vs 24.9 - a difference of 53.70% - clearly the 660Ti is flying here :cry:

    Metro 2033: AAA, not 4xMSAA, 47.5 vs. 53.5 - a difference of 12.63% not even with MSAA, again.

    Dirt 3: 109.3 vs 116.4 - a difference of 6.50%, and with new drivers AMD cards have a further lead. Previously, the 7970 lost to the 680 in that game. Not anymore.

    Total War: Shogun 2: 112.9 vs. 103.9 - a difference of 8.66% to the 660Ti. AMD hasn't been doing so well with this title since the start, as well.

    Batman Arkham City: 79 vs. 86 - a difference of 8.86%.

    The rest, mostly DX9 games, the 660Ti might be slightly faster, as Nvidia is good at that. 120FPS vs. 130FPS, I'm sure those extra 10FPS will matter on your 240Hz laser monitor. Especially that DX9 is the fashion these days.

    That's disregarding the idea that these benches seem to be done on older drivers as the 660Ti beats the 7950 Boost in BF3 here, which simply isn't true, even at 1080p.

    I also will try not to focus on compute performance, as that might be bs to you. No gamer uses compute in games, are you serious...

    But in SmallLux, 6200 vs. 22000, a difference of 254.84%. Ouch. Clearly compute based AA is bs, as in Sniper Elite V2. Or using your graphics card for any non-gaming load is out of the question. But I'll leave that to the OP.

    Power consumption? Ummm stress the two cards with OCCT and you get a difference of 19W on the 7950. That's a 6.55% difference, a difference less than that in the above games, which frankly aren't the most demanding.

    It's only a matter of time till Crysis 3 regains its performance lead on the 79xx cards. GCN is still a new architecture, and AMD are still unlocking some potential here and there, it seems (most has been unlocked already, so I wouldn't dwell much on this point).

    I'm going to call bs every single time some dude says the 660Ti is faster than the 7950, even at stock.

    You want to discuss drivers, features, power consumption? Fine, just DON'T discuss performance.

    @OP: Overclocking is terribly easy. And safe if you don't feed the thing 24V. I'm not sure you'd want to miss a 25 (modest) - 30-40% increase in performance if you pick the 7950.
     
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  3. -Tj-

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    No brainer AMD 7950 is the way to go.
     
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    As Tj said.. no brainer. 7950 no question.
     

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    +1, way more performance per $. I have been playing crysis 3 on decent settings (do half the settings even do anything graphically other then give you more fps?) at 2560x1440 and i get 60-90fps mostly but max ~120 and min ~40 (in cut scenes so meh). The 3gb vram sure is coming in handy. ;)

    The review says 22FPS at 2560x1600 for the 7950..? Lol? Farcry 3 also sits at 60+ for me with one thing down, i can't remember what it is but i think reviews should show another chart with games at close to max settings since sometimes you get double the performance for close to no loss of image quality and that is how most people will run the game.
     
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    You would be stupid to go with nvidia on this one. :D
     
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    Don't judge me by the profile of my rig, I do have an FX8350 + Asus CHVF + 2x GTX670 rig, I'm not so fanboyish as to simply stick with either....though my preference is for AMD. That said, the HD7950 is a no brainer, great OCing potential, more VRAM and awesome game bundle.....in term of price/performance, the HD7950 wins hands down easily.
     
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    7970 wins.
     
  9. natukiss

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    and how is the 670 gtx? it's better than both cards?
     
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  11. eclap

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    hd 7950, NO contest.

    hd 7950 vs gtx 670? when you overclock both, hd 7950 is faster. also costs a good $100 less? or thereabouts. you also get more vram and you get some wicked games. gtx 670 gives you physx, the only 2 games I kinda rate and have decent use of physx is the 2 batman games. If games start using TressFX, hd 7950 will have the advantage there. Sure, Physx and TressFX are not really a deal breaker, not for me anyway.

    Either way, get a nice hd 7950 and oc it. you have gtx 680 with a slight overclock performance. My hd 7950 beats a stock hd gtx 680 in 3dmarks by quite a comfortable margin. not that they mean much, but it's just a indication of what kind of performance you can expect. Sure, some games will run better on nvidia cards and some on AMD cards. but the hd 7950 is a no brainer.

    For those saying the gtx 660ti is a better card, you're clueless. sure, I understand some saying they would get it over the hd 7950, think it was TK, he went for gtx 680 over hd 7970, even though he new the hd 7970 offered more performance. but for someone to say that the gtx 660ti is a faster card, no, that is bs. I'm looking at you dr.noob.
     
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    I said I would take a 660ti over a 7950. that has not changed. I never said the 660ti was faster.
     
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    LMAO, have you been reading all my posts?

    Can you read the Guru3d reviews or the links i posted?

    The OP is not going to overclock so why do you keep saying, overclock this, overclock that?!The 660TI can overclock too...

    I dont care if he buys Nvidia or AMD, this is my opinion and i will stand for it.Period.
     
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    your opinion is wrong in this case, the hd 7950 is the fastest card. and yes, I took time to read the thread. also, I read the guru 3d reviews, the hd 7950 beats the gtx 660ti according to guru3d. unlike the link you posted.

    Also, the op is curious about overclocking. he probably thinks it's rocket science, which it's not, it's a case of dragging a few sliders to the right.

    Also, I know the gtx 660ti can overclock too, but can it beat the gtx 680 when overclocked? no, it can't. a hd 7950 can do that.

    so while you can have opinions, in this case your opinion is clearly wrong.
     
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    I know :) that's exactly what I meant to say. maybe it didn't come across like that.
     

  16. natukiss

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    i found a place where i can get the gigabyte 670 gtx windforce 2 in the same price as 660 ti power edition..

    how is the 670?
     
  17. 3dPlayer

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    My links are from Guru3d reviews, are you trying to confuse me or what?Only the AC3 review is from another source.

    So basically what you guys are saying is the Guru3d reviews are wrong.Ok, i can live with that.

    Or maybe i'm wrong and i can't see that AMD drivers are evolving that much...
     
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    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/3dmark-2013_7.html#sect0

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    This is odd, you guys are in the Guru3d forum, posting benchmarks from other sources like Anandtech and Xbitlabs, and above all now you comparing benchmarks like 3dmark, the OP is going to play games not scores.

    You know what?OP go with the 7950, all happy now?!Jeez...
     
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    these cards are a year old and still the same old song and dance? the Titan is the current gpu king anyway. old news
     

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